Russian invasion of Ukraine

[zorkuus]

I'm just asking whats the end game?

Destruction of ruZZia. You're welcome Igor.

[Kaleredar]

So since this is the new "virtue signalling" topic, whats the actual end game here? There's a lot of nasty words in this thread, so I am curious.

enumerating on Russia's many international and internal crimes that have lead them to such a destitute state.

[Corvus]

Oryx added a new category - humiliated - after Belarusian partisans teabagged a 3-500 million dollar awacs with a quadcopter drone in broad daylight and then flew it away again.

https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/st...190453792?s=20

[jonnysensible]

So since this is the new "virtue signalling" topic, whats the actual end game here? There's a lot of nasty words in this thread, so I am curious.

cmon man u posted this :

Yeah I would say so, but only because I don't really believe what's going on in the whole ukraine/russia thing. I remember the iraq war in the 90's and even the "war on terror" against afganistan, there was so much media footage, but Russia V Ukraine? Nada, zilch, nothing.

just around when all the edgelord boomers on twitter started saying this conspiracy theory. You are a literal NPC.

If you can't even view a war without the lens of culture wars ('virtue signalling') your brain doesn't work.

The end game is Ukraine fights until it wins or Russia fights until it wins. One ends with an underdog victory for a fledgling democracy over an authoritarian dictator the other ends with a genocide. I know which one i want to see. What about you?

[Yunru]

I wonder if Belarus will end up in civil war soon....i just dont see their pupet to stand down.

[Santti]

I wonder if Belarus will end up in civil war soon....i just dont see their pupet to stand down.

Maybe. Some civil unrest might happen, should this nonsense drag on long enough. It doesn't seem particularly popular in Belarus.

[Iphie]

Maybe. Some civil unrest might happen, should this nonsense drag on long enough. It doesn't seem particularly popular in Belarus.

Estimates vary, but most people agree: If Lukashenko is tired of leading Belarus the best thing he can do is order joining hostilities, his participation will be short and swift.


Rheinmetall apparently wants to build a tank factory in Ukraine one that can produce 400 Panthers per year.

[Logwyn]

I wonder if Belarus will end up in civil war soon....i just dont see their pupet to stand down.

Russia will prop up the side that lets them use Belarus as staging point for invasions.

[Kaleredar]

Russia will prop up the side that lets them use Belarus as staging point for invasions.

Russia currently has its hands tied in another losing war; I don't know how much equipment they have to be "propping up" anyone else.

[Makabreska]

Russia will prop up the side that lets them use Belarus as staging point for invasions.

Ye, before the invasion it would be 100% guaranteed that Ruskies would prevent any rebellion and regime collapse with a "friendly help". Nowadays? Not so sure what their capabilities are. That said, "loosing" Belarus would a major disaster in their eyes.

[Bakis]

I was up untill earlier today unaware of russia's Hitler-Jugend v2.

Young Army Cadets National Movement
The usual marching, patriotism, weapons handling/shooting, yada, yada supposed to be for members 8-18.
Hillarious but obviously sad is that they also hold "journalism" courses

Russia being the shithole that it is means that age is not really an actual number but more a question in regards of if a child still breastfeed or not.
Children in kindergarten and preschools gets taught how to handle weapons ie. prepare them to be cannon fodder and die FÜR DAS VATERLAND russian version.

[Iphie]

I was up untill earlier today unaware of russia's Hitler-Jugend v2.

Young Army Cadets National Movement
The usual marching, patriotism, weapons handling/shooting, yada, yada supposed to be for members 8-18.
Hillarious but obviously sad is that they also hold "journalism" courses

Russia being the shithole that it is means that age is not really an actual number but more a question in regards of if a child still breastfeed or not.
Children in kindergarten and preschools gets taught how to handle weapons ie. prepare them to be cannon fodder and die FÜR DAS VATERLAND russian version.

If I'm not mistaken they had similar in the USSR, "Young Pioneers" or something like that, so it's not new. It is disturbing though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_movement

Those pioneers are more benign but they did serve a similar purpose: instill the youth with a sense of belonging and patriotism. (just less off the, you know, militarism.)

[Corvus]

Latest UK MOD update mentions btr50s, a vehicle from 1954, have been seen in Ukraine. And the 1st Guards tank army, it's supposed elite fighting force, was meant to be getting t14s but now looks like it instead will be getting t62s.

https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status...201533955?s=20

[zealo]

No real surprise there.

Even if Russia did have a handful of functional Armatas, which is questionable to begin with in just what the state of those are, what they absolutely do not have is the capacity to produce them in great numbers for taking part in an actual war rather than being paraded around on red square in Moscow on occasion.

[Iphie]

Charge with shovels lads.

Say what you want but this is getting pathetic.

[Nymrohd]

Why are these terrorists still allowed in the international community? Cut them out of everything.

Because the crowd later applauded Lavrov when he called for NATO's double standard when it came to their interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan. The international community, particularly the Global South, have no love lost for either side.

[Azadina]

Because the crowd later applauded Lavrov when he called for NATO's double standard when it came to their interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan. The international community, particularly the Global South, have no love lost for either side.

I must have missed the parts where NATO invades with intent to steal the lands and resources, as well as subjugate the people into servant puppets.

Because that is what RuZZia does.

[Nymrohd]

I must have missed the parts where NATO invades with intent to steal the lands and resources, as well as subjugate the people into servant puppets.

Because that is what RuZZia does.

It doesn't matter though. People need to understand that for much of the world, the West never stopped being the enemy. The trauma of colonialism as well as the many US interventions in South America is immense and the grievances left by the West over it have never faded away. China and Russia before it have invested heavily in anti-Western propaganda in some of the fastest growing population centers in the planet on the other side of the equator.

The point of the post is not to bash the West. It's that the same people who laughed at Lavrov when he tried to defend Russia, applauded him when he attacked the West.

And honestly I'd still like to know what the intent was in invading Afghanistan and Iraq. The first was supposed to be a punitive expedition, the second was based on false charges.

[DarkTZeratul]

And honestly I'd still like to know what the intent was in invading Afghanistan and Iraq. The first was supposed to be a punitive expedition, the second was based on false charges.

In theory, getting rid of Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, respectively. The problem was that there was never any realistic plan for what to do after, nor any properly defined end condition, so we ended up just staying for decades with no real goal.

[Bakis]

It doesn't matter though. People need to understand that for much of the world, the West never stopped being the enemy. The trauma of colonialism as well as the many US interventions in South America is immense and the grievances left by the West over it have never faded away. China and Russia before it have invested heavily in anti-Western propaganda in some of the fastest growing population centers in the planet on the other side of the equator.

The point of the post is not to bash the West. It's that the same people who laughed at Lavrov when he tried to defend Russia, applauded him when he attacked the West.

And honestly I'd still like to know what the intent was in invading Afghanistan and Iraq. The first was supposed to be a punitive expedition, the second was based on false charges.

Exactly this.

Many non-western often poor and with shaky history or even shaky governing today has been fucked over by the west in the past.
The past deecades US specifically fucked many over royaly while at the same time Russia and China hasnt done them any favors nor fucked them over.
So it not really hard to grasp that many of those countries doesnt see russkies and chinese as something that merit much worry as of yet.
Ontop of that a fair chunk of non-western countries that do condemn the war and Russia do so beacause they stand more to lose by worsening their standing among the west rather than being opposed/interested in condeming a shit country that they have little trade and exchange with and its Lebensraum land grabbing