Russian invasion of Ukraine

[YUPPIE]

Because it has no strategic value.

It doesn't? This is a war. Russia tried to decapitate Ukraine's military leadership by trying to kill Zelenksy. Why can Ukraine not try that on Russia's bureaucracy orchestrating the whole war?

Bashar al-Assad has been on a hitlist for strategic reasons by the West for as long as we can remember for example.

But in today's politics, Zelenksy visiting Saudi Arabia and recently entertaining a Chinese diplomat are shocking because these are supposed to be two tenuous allies of Russia.

[Canpinter]

It doesn't? This is a war. Russia tried to decapitate Ukraine's military leadership by trying to kill Zelenksy. Why can Ukraine not try that on Russia's bureaucracy orchestrating the whole war?

Bashar al-Assad has been on a hitlist for strategic reasons by the West for as long as we can remember for example.

Because Ukraine is extremely dependent on military assistance and good will from foreign powers like the US.

An attack on Moscow would risk civilian casualties that would weaken it's international support (rightly or wrongly so) so it's not worth the risk to Ukraine.

[YUPPIE]

Because Ukraine is extremely dependent on military assistance and good will from foreign powers like the US.

An attack on Moscow would risk civilian casualties that would weaken its international support (rightly or wrongly so) so it's not worth the risk to Ukraine.

There's something not right about Ukraine possibly incidentally hitting civilians to get Putin and his cronies, whereas Russia can torture, target, and kill civilians non-stop deliberately and not really face any repercussions yet besides "sanctions."

[Dontrike]

Doesn't have to do much with the war, but Russia wants a few episodes of Family Guy banned after showing the country in a way they don't like (whether it be true or not.)

[Saradain]

There's something not right about Ukraine possibly incidentally hitting civilians to get Putin and his cronies, whereas Russia can torture, target, and kill civilians non-stop deliberately and not really face any repercussions yet besides "sanctions."

You really try your best today to bait people.

Nothing much, just 200k+ vatniks fucking sent to shadow realm and more to come...Sanctions that make Russia a vassal state to China.

Yah, nothing much

[Canpinter]

There's something not right about Ukraine possibly incidentally hitting civilians to get Putin and his cronies, whereas Russia can torture, target, and kill civilians non-stop deliberately and not really face any repercussions yet besides "sanctions."

Ya...it's called international politics right/wrong have little to do with it.

[Saradain]

Let us not forget all the international aid coming for Ukraine, modern weaponry and all that jazz. Russia winning am I right?

[Zaydin]

Apparently Biden has endorsed a plan to train Ukrainian pilots on how to fly the F-16.

Only a matter of time now before we go from 'NATO partners give their extra F-16s to Ukraine' to 'the US sending new export models directly to Ukraine'.

[YUPPIE]

Nothing much, just 200k+ vatniks fucking sent to shadow realm and more to come...Sanctions that make Russia a vassal state to China.

I don't think anyone cares about the Russian casualties in the war. We care about their economy falling apart as punishment for this war; AKA, their ability to arrogantly sustain this war.

If the sanctions were meaningful, I don't think you would see these Russian vloggers arrogantly boast of living in wealth. They should at least be sweating a little.

[Saradain]

I don't think anyone cares about the Russian casualties in the war. We care about their economy falling apart as punishment for this war; AKA, their ability to arrogantly sustain this war.

Then why the quotation marks for sanctions? They are working, we have evidence out there.

If the sanctions were meaningful, I don't think you would see these Russian vloggers arrogantly boast of living in wealth. They should at least be sweating a little.

Stop believing propaganda, jesus Christ lol.

[YUPPIE]

We've been through sanctions talks at least once every four to five months from what I've seen.

It will honestly never change, so I'll just stop talking about it expecting differently.

I'll never concede I'm in the wrong, though, until we see some civilian revolt in Russia from lack of food or sustainable conditions. That is what I see as sanctions working.

[Calfredd]

I'll never concede I'm in the wrong

A lot of alcoholics make this claim.

[Dontrike]

I'll never concede I'm in the wrong, though,

We sort of got that with page upon page of you not willing to grasp certain concepts or you unwilling to drop certain topics, like nukes as the largest example.

[cordrann]

We've been through sanctions talks at least once every four to five months from what I've seen.

It will honestly never change, so I'll just stop talking about it expecting differently.

I'll never concede I'm in the wrong, though, until we see some civilian revolt in Russia from lack of food or sustainable conditions. That is what I see as sanctions working.

Given what the Russian people have endured over the last century expecting them to revolt against a government they probably (and correctly) fear seems a little asinine. This isn't the US where you can speak freely and protest with no consequences, this is a country where political opposition is jailed, wtf do you think they would do to people revolting?

[YUPPIE]

Given what the Russian people have endured over the last century expecting them to revolt against a government they probably (and correctly) fear seems a little asinine. This isn't the US where you can speak freely and protest with no consequences, this is a country where political opposition is jailed, wtf do you think they would do to people revolting?

If the Russians are willing to starve and die rather than go into a frenzy when push comes to shove, only out of greater fear for Putin than death itself, I think that would say a lot about their people.

[MCMLXXXII]

Sigh, I think it's better for everyone if we just stop replying directly to the alcoholic.

[Forogil]

Because Ukraine is extremely dependent on military assistance and good will from foreign powers like the US.

An attack on Moscow would risk civilian casualties that would weaken it's international support (rightly or wrongly so) so it's not worth the risk to Ukraine.

And additionally it would be easier for Russia to recruit internally if they could claim that they were actually threatened.
Basically there's no real upside for Ukraine in such an attack.

(Obviously Putin could create another false-flag attack to make it seem that way, but that's riskier.)

[Gabriel]

If the Russians are willing to starve and die rather than go into a frenzy when push comes to shove, only out of greater fear for Putin than death itself, I think that would say a lot about their people.

Indeed it does. A lesson all of us in the West would do well to learn.

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Sigh, I think it's better for everyone if we just stop replying directly to the alcoholic.

But I enjoy my recreational outrage.

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We've been through sanctions talks at least once every four to five months from what I've seen.

It will honestly never change, so I'll just stop talking about it expecting differently.

I'll never concede I'm in the wrong, though, until we see some civilian revolt in Russia from lack of food or sustainable conditions. That is what I see as sanctions working.

The point of the sanctions is to starve out Russia's ability to wage war. They are already out of components for their wonder weapons, so the sanctions work.

Anyone that is expecting the sanctions to break the Russian """""spirit""""" is a moron. They'll never break. They'll starve to death and thank the Tzar for sticking it to the West with their dying breath.

[MCMLXXXII]

Funny that I get an infraction for saying that you-know-who is an alcoholic, which he himself admitted (see my sig) and he can keep baiting people.

[D3thray]

If the Russians are willing to starve and die rather than go into a frenzy when push comes to shove, only out of greater fear for Putin than death itself, I think that would say a lot about their people.

Sounds a lot like victim blaming to me. There is in fact a distinction between the government of a country and its people, always remember that.