Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Gorsameth]

There's no event they won't try and twist to help their rhetoric. Groups I've seen are calling this a master ploy from Putin so he can withdraw from Ukraine without losing face.

Without losing face.

Thats a good joke. wtf is this then? There is a literal coup ongoing. A Russian PMC is marching on Moscow within Russia itself to depose him. He is essentially hours away from losing Moscow.
The only way to appear weaker then this as a Dictator is when the successful coup shows of your dead body on national TV.

[Gabriel]

Don't spend all your burns so fast, so early

Haven't seen certain regular vatniks around this thread for a while...I wonder?

I hope you have the same fire of joy burning in your breast as I do. This day is historical.

Can't burn the pyre because of forest fire warning, but I'll settle to seeing Russian government burn this Midsummer.

[Gorsameth]

It definitely wasn't some master plan by Ukraine.

The only thing Ukraine could assume here is that eventually power struggle and a bid for power could have happened in Russia, which anyone following the events could figure out would eventually happen.

Why now, is probably simply because due to counteroffensive, much of the Russian forces are holed in the frontlines and can't be easily redeployed, leaving the backyard undefended. If Russia would move combat capable units in quantities that can actually stop 20k+ private army 2 days away from the capital, the whole front would collapse and possibly things would get even worse.

What they are trying to do now is to stall and heck they may even execute 1812 plan again, where they would just give Prigozhin empty Moscow with all the leadership temporarily away to win time and get regular army units from all over the Russia in. Of course, such a thing is no joke, they probably hope they will be able to stall Wagner beforehand by blocking off the highways, taking out bridges and bombing the convoy.

IMO, Prigozhin's mistake here is that he had no group in Moscow itself ready to act and pounce on the administrative buildings and Kremlin. But then maybe he did consider it and thought it too risky, as getting exposed early would end him right there.

There has been talk of the MoD absorbing Wagner for a while. I assume that behind the scenes that we don't get to see this was coming to a head and Wagner figures they had to move now or they would no longer exist. Not because of any specific situation within Ukraine.

[ringpriest]

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/16...994752/photo/1 many private jets are leaving moscow

the rats scurry away

While getting out of Moscow ahead of Wagner certainly could be a factor, today is Scarlet Sails in St. Petersburg - the Moscow elite (who are dominatated these days by Putin's old St. Petersburg cronies) would have been heading to St. Petersburg in any case.

[Strange One]

Without losing face.

Thats a good joke. wtf is this then? There is a literal coup ongoing. A Russian PMC is marching on Moscow within Russia itself to depose him. He is essentially hours away from losing Moscow.
The only way to appear weaker then this as a Dictator is when the successful coup shows of your dead body on national TV.

It's stupid, but I think the logic behind it is "we now face an internal threat, so it's fine to withdraw troops to deal with it".

In reality it's just people who are deep throating Putin so hard they can't reconcile that Putin has fucked up.

[Kokolums]

So Prigozhin is a mecenary hired to do a job, does it extremely well, then doesn't get supplies from the government. Then he rebels with a fighting force and attacks his former government employers.

Prigozhin is Edwin Van Cleef.

[Saradain]

So Prigozhin is a mecenary hired to do a job, does it extremely well, then doesn't get supplies from the government. Then he rebels with a fighting force and attacks his former government employers.

Prigozhin is Edwin Van Cleef.

9 months and 200+ captures of Bakhmut, to capture Bakhmut. 3 hours of taking Rostov.

Russia is the 2nd best army in Russia.

[Lahis]

So we are on the 485th day of Putin's 3 day march into Kyiv, and Wagner has marched from Ukraine into Moscow in a day and half.

Irony as thick as the Iron Curtain.

[enigma77]

So apparently Kadyrovitsians are already surrendering to Wagner forces.

Can't make this shit up.

[YUPPIE]

if Putin is ousted from Russia, would he be hunted down abroad?

[Gabriel]

if Putin is ousted from Russia, would he be hunted down abroad?

He'll get shipped off to Hague if he dares to exist Russia. If I was Putin, I'd start looking for a handgun.

[Iphie]

He'll get shipped off to Hague if he dares to exist Russia. If I was Putin, I'd start looking for a handgun.

I mean if prigozhin really wants to make a grand gesture and get sanctions lifted then he hands putin over...if he wins which is not a certainty *quite* yet.

[diller]

if Putin is ousted from Russia, would he be hunted down abroad?

Awww poor Putin, didn't go the way you hoped for your idol it seems.

And yes, if he shows his face in any civilized country he will be arrested.

[Gabriel]

I mean if prigozhin really wants to make a grand gesture and get sanctions lifted then he hands putin over...if he wins which is not a certainty *quite* yet.

Yeah I doubt we have to worry about it just yet.

[Gorsameth]

if Putin is ousted from Russia, would he be hunted down abroad?

I can't imagine any country would be willing to burn themselves on offering refuge to an ousted Putin.

[Iphie]

I can't imagine any country would be willing to burn themselves on offering refuge to an ousted Putin.

Argentina is a popular resort for his ilk...Maybe he can rub elbows with Zorreguieta

[YUPPIE]

I can't imagine any country would be willing to burn themselves on offering refuge to an ousted Putin.

Iran, North Korea, China, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Cuba, Syria

[Kreuger]

Iran, North Korea, China, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Cuba, Syria

Thing is, what do they gain by doing it? What can Putin offer more then some money perhaps, but why would they risk alienating the new power in Russia for money

[MCMLXXXII]

Iran, North Korea, China, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Cuba, Syria

At least half of those countries wouldn't want him. NK is probably the only real option.

[YUPPIE]

Thing is, what do they gain by doing it? What can Putin offer more then some money perhaps, but why would they risk alienating the new power in Russia for money

money, classified information on enemy nations, classified information on Russian WMDs, dirt on his usurper.