Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Corvus]

russia is talking about needing another interest rate rise, up another full 1% to 14%, or maybe more, as the ruble comes close to breaching 100 to the USD again. Hit 99.5 there yesterday.

The problem is that their board isn't due to meet for 4 weeks, to may have to call another emergency meeting.

And for more fun, russia accidently released the addresses of pootin's secret service and other top secret government facilities.

[Zaydin]

russia is talking about needing another interest rate rise, up another full 1% to 14%, or maybe more, as the ruble comes close to breaching 100 to the USD again. Hit 99.5 there yesterday.

The problem is that their board isn't due to meet for 4 weeks, to may have to call another emergency meeting.

And for more fun, russia accidently released the addresses of pootin's secret service and other top secret government facilities.

Wonder how many of those buildings are going to mysteriously explode or catch fire.

[Elder Millennial]

Sounds like you're not from the US where things are very different. But "fragment" is a good word to use to describe Republicans and their current dilemma.

Nah. I'm about 90% sure he's either from the US or Canada. It looks like standard North American Libertarian ramblings. Half the time they only make sense to themselves.

[Iphie]

russia is talking about needing another interest rate rise, up another full 1% to 14%, or maybe more, as the ruble comes close to breaching 100 to the USD again. Hit 99.5 there yesterday.

The problem is that their board isn't due to meet for 4 weeks, to may have to call another emergency meeting.

And for more fun, russia accidently released the addresses of pootin's secret service and other top secret government facilities.

"Accidentally"... nothing surprises me anymore in this war.

[Bakis]

Seems GRU efforts in Slovakia payed off.

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communism goes towards Socialism

Heh that's the theory yea and history has tought us that never happened.

[Veggie50]

Uhm, just because you're a nationalist or a populist doesn't necessarily mean that you're on the "right". Left/Right pertain to spectrums. IE: Authoritarian vs. Anarchist (Left = Authoritarian, full government control led by a dictator vs Right = government does not exist and there's anarchy). Usually you want to fall closer to the middle of the spectrum because both can be viewed as really bad. The "Populist" = Democratic, the opposite of Democratic is "Autocratic", so any slams against a "Populist" are kinda dumb unless you love authoritative non-electable officials.

In America, "Democrats" have increased the power of the federal government substantially due to favoring social programs, and wanting to increase the amount of money shoveled into the government. The opposite would be a "Republican" which wants to fragment that power into all of the states of the United States and LOCAL governments so that Americans have a better chance of having an impact with their vote.

Socialism vs Free Market (Capitalism leans more towards the Free Market, communism goes towards Socialism, again everything the real world uses leans more towards the middle but favors a side)

Socialst Democrat - Supports a central power that takes everyones money and redistributes it. What could go wrong?

Thats exactly what he said though…

Not so much by the asspulled definitions, but the guy you’re replying to literally said that nationalism/populism isn’t exclusively left or right wing.

[alach]

Heres a fun one...Apparently Zelesky is tempting other nations with using his country as a weapons manufactory, and its working.

Ukraine hosts a defense industry forum seeking to ramp up weapons production for the war

Africa Interested in Making Ukrainian Weapons: Kyiv

France, Germany pave the way to making weapons in Ukraine

And the best one, drones from Turkey being built in country, starting with maintenance a couple months back.

This is all a pretty great move by Ukraine, building up nice big juicy targets for Putin, that he dare not touch.

[Xyonai]

Heres a fun one...Apparently Zelesky is tempting other nations with using his country as a weapons manufactory, and its working.

Ukraine hosts a defense industry forum seeking to ramp up weapons production for the war

Africa Interested in Making Ukrainian Weapons: Kyiv

France, Germany pave the way to making weapons in Ukraine

And the best one, drones from Turkey being built in country, starting with maintenance a couple months back.

This is all a pretty great move by Ukraine, building up nice big juicy targets for Putin, that he dare not touch.

I mean, they were the Workhorse of the USSR so they've got no shortage of folks with hands-on manufacturing skills so geopolitical middle fingers aside it's a decent foot in the door to more formally integrate them with the rest of Europe.

Also, if nothing else, they're not schools or orphanages or hospitals so I don't think Russia has the capacity to actually commit to attacking those facilities when/if they get up and running.

[diller]

Time will show us who was wrong or right.

How does that usually work out for you?

[Forogil]

Heres a fun one...Apparently Zelesky is tempting other nations with using his country as a weapons manufactory, and its working.

Ukraine hosts a defense industry forum seeking to ramp up weapons production for the war

Africa Interested in Making Ukrainian Weapons: Kyiv

France, Germany pave the way to making weapons in Ukraine

And the best one, drones from Turkey being built in country, starting with maintenance a couple months back.

This is all a pretty great move by Ukraine, building up nice big juicy targets for Putin, that he dare not touch.

It also makes the production less reliant on foreign support, likely reduces the cost for Ukraine, and it also strengthens Ukraine's defense in the long run (especially if the war turns into a frozen conflict - hope not).

The experience from other large conflicts (especially WWII) show that weapon factories can be quite resilient.

[Gabriel]

Resolution of the Free Russia Forum
October 2, 2023

The war of Putin’s Russian Federation against Ukraine is becoming protracted, causing more and more damage to Ukraine and taking more and more lives of its patriots. This war will continue for some time, since the Russian dictator does not want to give in, clinging to the captured Ukrainian territories with his teeth and continuing to hold them at the cost of thousands of human lives. Realizing that defeat in the war could lead to the fall of his regime, he desperately tries to find a way out of the impasse into which he has driven himself. Finding himself in international isolation, he frantically searches for allies, throwing himself into the arms of other dictatorships in search of support. Before our eyes, in this war, two opposing blocs are being formed (the Free World and the alliance of dictatorships), which are entering into direct confrontation with each other.

Putin's totalitarian allies will help him stay afloat and continue the war for some time. This means that the greater must be the efforts of the Free World and all its allies for Ukraine’s victory over Putinism. We are also part of this common front of struggle, and a lot depends on us too. Under these conditions, we must categorically reject any opportunities for collaboration with the regime or its individual institutions.

The Free Russia Forum continues to consistently defend the three main principles laid down in its program documents: 1) the war unleashed by Putin is criminal; 2) the Putin regime is illegitimate; 3) unconditional recognition of the territorial integrity of Ukraine, including all captured and occupied territories. However, not all of our allies in the Russian opposition correctly understand these principles, which requires further clarification. In order to clarify and develop these principles, we consider it necessary to record the following.

We are categorically against any form of cooperation with the criminal Putin regime, including participation in simulated electoral procedures that strengthen the regime, and participation in the activities of structures affiliated with the regime. The participation of the opposition and its individual representatives in the Kremlin booth called “elections” is unacceptable. It is impossible to morally justify membership in all kinds of presidential and near-presidential councils and other similar structures.

The Free Russia Forum continues its work in the direction of sanctions, maintaining our “Putin List”, which is replenished with new figures. At the same time, our priority task in this work against the backdrop of war is to identify precisely the war criminals of the Putin regime, as well as all those who in one form or another work for the war, including propagandists at various levels: from regular guests of television shows on federal channels to editors and authors of Z telegram channels.
At the same time, we believe that the current sanctions policy of the countries of the Free World can be adjusted for the better in order to bring us all closer to the desired goal - the victory of Ukraine and the subsequent liberation of Russia. We are convinced that Putin’s Russia’s war against Ukraine is fueled not only by purely military resources, but also by other (intellectual, financial) resources. Our task is to “bleed” the Putin regime by depriving it of these resources. This means that we must welcome the exodus of the carriers of these resources from Russia and contribute to such an exodus. The more qualified, educated, highly paid personnel leave Russia, the less Putin’s state will receive resources to continue the war.

However, the policy of depleting the resources of the Putin regime should not be carried out indiscriminately, without regard to the political views of those leaving. The conditions for unhindered entry into the countries of the Free World for Russians should be a public renunciation of Putinism, a declaration of criminal war and unconditional recognition of the territorial integrity of Ukraine.

War dictates its own rules, including the rules of political struggle. What was considered unacceptable in peacetime is becoming acceptable and even necessary now. We call on all our supporters to give priority assistance to the growing volunteer forces of Russian citizens fighting against Putinism and Russian volunteers at the front. We support the armed struggle of the Armed Forces of Ukraine against the occupiers - both in the form of open military confrontation on the battlefield, and in the form of sabotage work in the occupied Ukrainian territories and the territories of the Russian Federation. Moreover, we recognize all forms of violent resistance to Putinism on the part of Russians themselves who decide to take this path, provided that it is not directed against the civilian population.

The solidarity of all participants in the anti-Putin front, the efforts of the Free World to support Ukraine and the courage of its defenders will be the key to the realization of our goals, expressed in the slogan “Victory for Ukraine, freedom for Russia.”

October 1, 2023, Tallinn

https://www.forumfreerussia.org/main...obodnoj-rossii

[MCMLXXXII]

https://www.reuters.com/markets/curr...ar-2023-10-03/

Oct 3 (Reuters) - The Russian rouble weakened past the symbolic threshold of 100 to the dollar before recovering slightly in early trade on Tuesday, weighed down by foreign currency outflows and the country's shrinking current account surplus.

The rouble's last tumble into triple digits in August led the Bank of Russia to make an emergency 350-basis-point rate hike to 12% and authorities discussed reintroducing controls to buttress the currency.

But it's all foggy wallet guys. I can still get my burger for the same amount of turnips.

[Flarelaine]

Shall we link a thousand or so posts of yours from about a year ago?

I ask that you do not (and that goes for everyone). It was a rather bitter feud and reigniting it will not advance the discussion.

The thread would benefit if y'all stopped trying to score "I was right" points over each other and discussed what is happening without the personal digs.

[Corvus]

https://www.reuters.com/markets/curr...ar-2023-10-03/



But it's all foggy wallet guys. I can still get my burger for the same amount of turnips.

And to think that massive interest rate rises and sinking billions into propping it up only manage to stave off hitting 100 for 7 weeks.

Meanwhile Gazprom production has collapsed by 25% to levels not seen since 1978, and its profit from the fist half of the year has also collapsed, from 26 billion last year to just 3.1 this year.

[Sooba]

I ask that you do not (and that goes for everyone). It was a rather bitter feud and reigniting it will not advance the discussion.

The thread would benefit if y'all stopped trying to score "I was right" points over each other and discussed what is happening without the personal digs.

With respect, from someone who has been a long time lurker - this assumes everyone is engaging in good faith and is doing their best to arrive at the truth. I think it's fairly clear that that's not the case. Clearly establishing to others when someone has been consistently confabulating & misconstruing arguments, or at the very least relying on / parroting others (propagandists) who have been doing those things is key to keeping a conversation clear of said propagandistic nonsense. This isn't "I was right" points. This is "You still refuse to acknowledge reality and are propagating bullshit". Crucial when someone is continuing to disagree but is attempting to disseminate subtler nonsense.

[Popastique]

https://www.forumfreerussia.org/main...obodnoj-rossii

That's one funny resolution, almost as funny as Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya pretending to be the rightful president of Belarus - in short: no one gives a damn about either of them. Though once in a while they do make statements that can make people laugh - i'll give them that.

[Aedruid]

Thats exactly what he said though…

Not so much by the asspulled definitions, but the guy you’re replying to literally said that nationalism/populism isn’t exclusively left or right wing.

Ah, well maybe I misunderstood what I read... my bad

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Sounds like you're not from the US where things are very different. But "fragment" is a good word to use to describe Republicans and their current dilemma.

Nah, I just use common sense. They should have shut the government down in my opinion. The federal government doesn't need that much money and does little to nothing to help the average American. We give the government trillions per year in taxes and we still have lead pipes funneling lead riddled water to kids. If they're going to waste our money on endless wars, fund orgs that are solely driven to take money from people (IRS and taxes), and spy on individuals when they watch YouTube while sitting on the toilet - then we don't need them.

[Shadowferal]

Nah, I just use common sense. They should have shut the government down in my opinion. The federal government doesn't need that much money and does little to nothing to help the average American. We give the government trillions per year in taxes and we still have lead pipes funneling lead riddled water to kids. If they're going to waste our money on endless wars, fund orgs that are solely driven to take money from people (IRS and taxes), and spy on individuals when they watch YouTube while sitting on the toilet - then we don't need them.

You claim common sense, when you've posted ignorance and nonsense.

[Easo]

No, I don't agree with that, at all.

To make my point to you and others about predictions as simple as possible - multitude of ever-changing claims about Russian missiles and the reality that they still haven't run out of them nor are going to. As far as I am concerned it should be obvious to everyone and if it isn't - then I cannot help you nor I will spend more time and energy trying to explain it.

Some realistic views have to be taken, NOT claims such as fighting with shovels, from British Intelligence no less.

[Pann]

Some realistic views have to be taken, NOT claims such as fighting with shovels, from British Intelligence no less.

Uhm, didn't British Intelligence state Russian troops could be using shovels for hand to hand combat? Seeing as the shovel in question, the MPL-50, has been standard issue to Russian troops for many years for, amongst other things, use in close combat it and at the time evidence suggested that there had been an increase in close combat therefore this doesn't seem to be the outlandish claim you try to make it out to be.

I guess Russian troops use tool issued for close combat in close combat doesn't sound quite as exciting.