Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Corvus]

For those saying Ukraine should just surrender, why didn't everyone just surrender to the Nazis in the early stages of the war? Would have saved a lot of lives. Sure, you get to live as a second class citizens under a brutal dictatorship but at least the rest of the world won't have to miss out on a few luxuries.

[Joszef Kiprich]

With almost every country in the world as a member, except for, out the top of my head, Kosovo, Taiwan, Palestine and the Vatican, it's an extremely large bureaucratic entity.

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I'm not saying Ukraine should surrender. Hell, my opinion is that russia should just get the fuck out of Ukraine.
Sadly, this will not end well for Ukraine, no matter if they surrender or not. It's impossible for them to win this and they probably know it too, that's why we are seeing less and less of those good news messages of them...

[Kathranis]

It's almost like people think countries that big can be taken in few days. Only a week passes in about 1 hour. How fast, exactly, should Russia be taking land, in your mind?

Do you honestly think that Russia will take and hold Ukraine in a stable fashion based on what has happened so far?
Afghanistan cost the United States $2.3 trillion dollars. Can Russia truly afford such a conflict in the face of ongoing sanctions?

You cheerlead the strength of the Russian military every day, as if this day will be the one to mark the turning point. As if Russia encircling Kyiv will be the end of this conflict or something. But we both know that won't be the case.

So what exactly do you think is the endgame, here? To spend the next decade plus stuck in an expensive military quagmire, while the EU and NATO grows? Frankly, that's probably what the US State Department is hoping for, but I don't think that's what Putin wants.

Or do they just give up all pretenses and brutally pacify the nation on the world stage? Turn Zelensky and his people into martyrs? Maybe the world will just stand by and let it happen, but will Russia gain more than they have lost? I doubt it. The EU and NATO will beef up their defenses, they will fast track the admission of candidate members, they will seek alternate sources of oil. Russia will become politically and economically isolated.

[Mamushi]

That vote was so stupid, a country should lose the right to a vote if they are the aggressors. Seems like something that should have been thought up from the start.

That is because the permanent members wanted the system to be unfair so that it cannot interfere with their interests.

[Milchshake]

For those saying Ukraine should just surrender, why didn't everyone just surrender to the Nazis in the early stages of the war? Would have saved a lot of lives. Sure, you get to live as a second class citizens under a brutal dictatorship but at least the rest of the world won't have to miss out on a few luxuries.

It's really weird hearing this from Europeans, that otherwise like to dunk on "Stoopid Yanks".

Uhhh remember that time your French, Dutch, Danish Resistances got squashed by the Blitzkrieg? But thankfully your braver countrymen hung on. With the help of others, they were able to return to power a few years later.

TWOT seriously broke so many brains. Then having a black president broke more.

[Joszef Kiprich]

NATO intervening: not going to happen, maybe only if russia throws a nuke or goes full "genocidal"

russia retreating because of sanctions: not going to happen. putin will keep MoEx closed until this is over or he finds a way to soften the pain

Ceasefire: best outcome for Ukraine but that would probably mean they are losing Donbas, Crimea and the area in between or maybe even worse, the entire Black Sea coast.

russia toppling the Ukrainian government: worst outcome for everyone, that will mean a lot of casualties and even if putin puts a puppet in place, that would probably start a civil war for years from now on.

[Kharnath]

How come all around the border of Russia there are Missile Defense systems pointing into Russia and controlled by NATO/US?

Also...

How come all around the border of USA there are NO Missile Defense systems pointing into USA and controlled by Russia?

And...

NATO promised Putin over 10yrs ago that NATO would cease encroaching upon the Russian border and stop turning neighbouring provinces into NATO allies for NATO/US Controlled Missile bases to be built upon and point towards Russia?

[Daymanmb]

How come all around the border of Russia there are Missile Defense systems pointing into Russia and controlled by NATO/US?

Um mostly because Russia is run by an autocrat with nukes who nobody trusts. See ongoing Ukraine conflict, if youre unsure of the validity of the distrust.

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NATO promised Putin over 10yrs ago that NATO would cease encroaching upon the Russian border and stop turning neighbouring provinces into NATO allies for NATO/US Controlled Missile bases to be built upon and point towards Russia?

Thats a statement and not a question. Question mark not required.

[Joszef Kiprich]

How come all around the border of Russia there are Missile Defense systems pointing into Russia and controlled by NATO/US?

Also...

How come all around the border of USA there are NO Missile Defense systems pointing into USA and controlled by Russia?

And...

NATO promised Putin over 10yrs ago that NATO would cease encroaching upon the Russian border and stop turning neighbouring provinces into NATO allies for NATO/US Controlled Missile bases to be built upon and point towards Russia?

Gee, I wonder why, hmm, because they JUST INVADED ANOTHER COUNTRY???

Speaking of promises, what about russia promising not to invade Ukraine if they gave up their nukes?

But good to see you're back Shalcker.

Again with the RT lie that Ukraine was going to join NATO within the foreseeable future.

[PC2]

How come all around the border of Russia there are Missile Defense systems pointing into Russia and controlled by NATO/US?

Also...

How come all around the border of USA there are NO Missile Defense systems pointing into USA and controlled by Russia?

And...

NATO promised Putin over 10yrs ago that NATO would cease encroaching upon the Russian border and stop turning neighbouring provinces into NATO allies for NATO/US Controlled Missile bases to be built upon and point towards Russia?

It's because we deserve to have missile systems near their soil and they don't deserve missile systems near our soil. It couldn't be more fair.

[Kharnath]

It's because we deserve to have missile systems near their soil and they don't deserve missile systems near our soil. It couldn't be more fair.

[PhaelixWW]

How come all around the border of Russia there are Missile Defense systems pointing into Russia and controlled by NATO/US?

Missile defense systems are for defense, not offense. Also, they're not pointed at Russia, because they don't point anywhere. Also, NATO isn't controlled by the US. Also, why is Russia worried about missile defense systems unless Russia is planning to fire missiles at another country?

How come all around the border of USA there are NO Missile Defense systems pointing into USA and controlled by Russia?

Probably because the US doesn't share a border with a country that fears the US sending missiles at them? Also, Russia is not allied with anyone who shares a border with the US.

NATO promised Putin over 10yrs ago that NATO would cease encroaching upon the Russian border and stop turning neighbouring provinces into NATO allies for NATO/US Controlled Missile bases to be built upon and point towards Russia?

NATO promised not to move further east when the only thing further east was USSR. Then, later, Russia and NATO signed the Founding Act in 1997. The last time a country which shares a border with Russia was added to NATO was 2004.

[Kharnath]

Missile defense systems are for defense, not offense.

If my neighbour decided to put Missiles on our fence (missiles that my neighbour alone controls) I can rest easy when my neighbour tells me the missiles are solely for defense and not offence in conjunction with me not being able to do anything about it because if I try to it will appear as though I am about to launch my own Missiles because why else would I be trying to do something about defensive Missiles on my fence Controlled by my neighbour if not to launch my own Missiles because my neighbours are purely "defense" Missiles cause my neighbour told me that........?

[Daymanmb]

If my neighbour decided to put Missiles on our fence I can rest easy when they tell me they are solely for defense and not offence in conjunction with me not being able to do anything about it because if I try to it will appear as though I am about to launch my own Missiles because why else would I be trying to do something about it if not launch my own Missiles because his are purely "defense" Missiles cause he told me that........?

Are you trying to argue that you cant defend your property? Thats a pretty dumb argument. And you can do something about it.. you can defend your property lol... common sense stuff here.

[Elegiac]

If my neighbour decided to put Missiles on our fence (missiles that my neighbour alone controls) I can rest easy when my neighbour tells me the missiles are solely for defense and not offence in conjunction with me not being able to do anything about it because if I try to it will appear as though I am about to launch my own Missiles because why else would I be trying to do something about defensive Missiles on my fence Controlled by my neighbour if not to launch my own Missiles because my neighbours are purely "defense" Missiles cause my neighbour told me that........?

Ignoring the fact this is word salad...

You forgot to mention that, in this analogy, you (i.e. Russia) have been constantly breaking into your neighbors' houses, vandalizing and/or stealing their property, and killing their kids.

They have every right and reason to want protection from you.

[Corvus]

Second round of talks to happen probably starting tomorrow on Polish-Belarus border.

[PhaelixWW]

If my neighbour decided to put Missiles on our fence (missiles that my neighbour alone controls) I can rest easy when my neighbour tells me the missiles are solely for defense and not offence in conjunction with me not being able to do anything about it because if I try to it will appear as though I am about to launch my own Missiles because why else would I be trying to do something about defensive Missiles on my fence Controlled by my neighbour if not to launch my own Missiles because my neighbours are purely "defense" Missiles cause my neighbour told me that........?

Would you care to point out these missiles on your fence?

Also, would you please prove that you have no missiles "pointed" at NATO countries?

[Elegiac]

Would you care to point out these missiles on your fence?

Are they between the sofa cushions? Did they put them in with the other laundry? Are the missiles in the room with us right now?

Who knows.

[Corvus]

Russia have admitted to 500 KIA and 1600 WIA in the war already. So given how much they lie the real number is likely much higher.

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This site has been tracking confirmed losses in the war so far - Russia has lost more than 500 vehicles confirmed already. As a comparison, that means Russia has lost more in 7 days than Armenia did in 44 days.

[PhaelixWW]

Are they between the sofa cushions? Did they put them in with the other laundry? Are the missiles in the room with us right now?

Who knows.

I mean, the NATO BMD sites don't border Russia, with the exception of that weird Kaliningrad Oblast part of Europe.