Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Toppy]

You'll probably find that the numbers provided by the US are far more accurate than those from either side

But if Russia is willing to admit 500 dead and 1600 wounded, you have to wonder just how bad they actually are if that is the minimum they think they can get away with admitting.

Its almost as if the Russian military is dated, demoralized, didnt want to go in the first place, is invading someone elses land which is largely open with no cover, didnt actually prepare or equip its soldiers for the type of enemy it would be facing, with the invaded forces being much more highly motivated and equiped as well as prepared for exactly what Russia threw at them.

These high numbers make sense when you stop and look at how utterly ill prepared Russia was and well prepared Ukraine was. Russia is essentially running across the largest no mans land imaginable. Remember in WW1 where you still had some idiots acting like this was the old warfar so had shit like calvalry and ignoring trenches? That's Russia right now.

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How are you going to capture and hold a territory? With planes and infantry?

Tanks have their place, as will become evident soon enough.

How do you expect tanks to capture and hold territory when modern weapons can allow infantry to much more easily deal with tanks? How do you expect tanks to deal with major population centers? Unless you think that Russia is just going to level entire cities to ensure no one can live there at all. In which case its not capturing, its scorched earth.

You're looking at tanks from the technological standard of decades ago. Your knights are no longer imprenetrable. The big counter to a tank is no longer another tank.

[Slant]

They're two separate organizations, though with significant overlap in membership.

The North Atlantic Treaty Organization is a defensive alliance, with the core tenet that an attack on one member constitutes an attack on all members who are then obligated to come to the attacked member's defense. It acts specifically as a deterrent against attacks, because anyone seeking to try to invade, say, Romania, would also have to contend with every other NATO member.

The European Union, on the other hand, is more of a federation of European countries that primarily syncs policies for matters such as trade or immigration. Mutual defense is a part of that, but its primary purpose is foreign relations between member states.

There are NATO nations that are not in the EU (such as the United States and Norway), and EU nations that are not in NATO (such as Sweden and Finland). Here's a map showing who's in what:

Top summary. Well done. Doesn't happen often that someone gets it right.

[zealo]

As horrible as this all is. Its been kinda funny watching WW2 and military fetishists scramble to explain how tanks are still cool and viable in modern warfare as the Russian tanks keep getting obliterated and doing largely nothing (for their value).

Always hated those dudebros and its been hillarious watching them try to explain how "NO TANKS STILL HAVE A PLACE. IT TAKES 70 SHOTS FROM AN RPG TO TAKE DOWN A TANK"

What's going on in Ukraine is showing more that many Russian tanks being used in the field are decades out of date against modern countermeasures, rather than armour having no place on a modern battlefield.

[Easo]

As horrible as this all is. Its been kinda funny watching WW2 and military fetishists scramble to explain how tanks are still cool and viable in modern warfare as the Russian tanks keep getting obliterated and doing largely nothing (for their value).

Always hated those dudebros and its been hillarious watching them try to explain how "NO TANKS STILL HAVE A PLACE. IT TAKES 70 SHOTS FROM AN RPG TO TAKE DOWN A TANK"

Please don't tell me you are another "Drones, more drones!!!111" case. It is ridiculous, no one in the world is getting rid of the tanks, jesus christ. I guess you haven't seen infantry with ATGM's just running away from the "nonviable" tanks rushing at them.

It’s not about whether it’s trucks, tanks, IFVs, or whatever. It’s about what’s on the trucks, and how that what’s on the trucks the front line needed 3 days ago.

Also the abandoned vehicles are being molotoved so they’re not being put back into service.

Also the numbers might be bullshit from both sides but even taking a number in the middle, you’re talking 3k Russian deaths. That’s still crazy after a week.

It's about both. You have do destroy armor units anyway and there are tens of thousands trucks for replacement. Nothing works by itself in vacuum.

They started behaving like Houthi pyromaniacs only recently. Most of the initial vehicles abandoned clearly were not being burned, bunch of them were filmed by civvies, which brings question whether Ukrainian forces could even get there to destroy them. I am going to go further and say - some are likely have been put back into service already.

I highly doubt 3k Russian deaths. Together with wounded and captives? Yes. And would 3k deaths actually be crazy, considering the scale yet again, for the billionth time?

What's going on in Ukraine is showing more that many Russian tanks being used in the field are decades out of date against modern countermeasures, rather than armour having no place on a modern battlefield.

Pray tell, what those modern countermeasures are? ATGMs have existed for a long long time, if you mean them. And I have seen not that many Russian tanks actually destroyed.

[postman1782]

He's right. There's a propaganda war from both sides.
The only difference is you're on the west side, listening to western propaganda.

Jesus, open your fucking eyes people, anti-Russian propaganda is being ran by western media for decades, regardless if there's a conflict or not.

No there isn't propaganda from both sides. You see Russia and Putin saying there are Nazis in Ukraine and they are trying to "liberate" them. Without any evidence. Meanwhile, everyone knows why Putin invaded, he wants to former Soviet Union back.

[Azadina]

What's going on in Ukraine is showing more that many Russian tanks being used in the field are decades out of date against modern countermeasures, rather than armour having no place on a modern battlefield.

Works barely in Ukraine only because of Ukraines minimal air power. Look at the initial Iraq invasion (of the second round that is)for how well tanks do when one side controls the air, as well as has equipment to fly in said air.

They get absolutely obliterated. Modern or soviet tank, it doesn't even matter at that point.

[Toppy]

Works barely in Ukraine only because of Ukraines minimal air power. Look at the initial Iraq invasion (of the second round that is)for how well tanks do when one side controls the air, as well as has equipment to fly in said air.

They get absolutely obliterated. Modern or soviet tank, it doesn't even matter at that point.

Exactly yeah. Tanks have a place. Once air and artilery threats have been dealt with. IE: when the primary means of combat are gone. For their extreme costs they dont really do much of anything anymore.

[Specialka]

Exactly yeah. Tanks have a place. Once air and artilery threats have been dealt with. IE: when the primary means of combat are gone. For their extreme costs they dont really do much of anything anymore.

Because artillery and airs units are their main counter ? Have fun holding a city without tanks.

[Makabreska]

Welp, F1 kills Russian Grand Prix deal.

[Flarelaine]

Hmf...China has to be looking northward and wondering...and feeling tempted...

At Mongolia? Why?

Manchuria. Outer Manchuria was taken from China relatively recently (160-ish years ago). It is decent agricultural land but has a lot of mineral wealth as well. It is sparsely populated, especially when compared to the Chinese provinces just across the Amur. And if you think Russia is stuck up on historically owned territories - they have nothing on China.

[MCMLXXXII]

Welp, F1 kills Russian Grand Prix deal.

On the same day Verstappen extends his contract for 50 million a year. Coincidence? I think not

[snebb]

Sometimes, it's the little things.

The mayor of Vilnius has renamed the street on which the the Russian embassy is located.

Russian Embassy, update your business cards: Ukrainian Heroes Street 2. I help you with the translation: Улица Героев Украины 2,” the mayor wrote on Facebook

[MCMLXXXII]

Lavrov says there will be a solution for the Ukrainian war:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...nd-2022-03-03/

Wait, what? He called it a war? Better stay away from windows and don't drink any tea that's being offered comrade Lavrov.

[Poopymonster]

You'll probably find that the numbers provided by the US are far more accurate than those from either side

But if Russia is willing to admit 500 dead and 1600 wounded, you have to wonder just how bad they actually are if that is the minimum they think they can get away with admitting.

They aren't including deserters or people waiting to be released to their babushkas.

[arandomuser]

so atleast according to the wiki ( unsure if accurate) america lost 7,000 lives in iraq/afghanistan overr 20 years
and that was was considered a "failure" by alot of people here, if putin loses just as much or MORE in less than a month of war, i wonder if anyone will rethink calling him a genius while criticizing our own generals and military as too woke

[Santti]

so atleast according to the wiki ( unsure if accurate) america lost 7,000 lives in iraq/afghanistan overr 20 years
and that was was considered a "failure" by alot of people here, if putin loses just as much or MORE in less than a month of war, i wonder if anyone will rethink calling him a genius while criticizing our own generals and military as too woke

The numbers are probably inflated by combining killed and wounded, at the very least.

[Makabreska]

Well, "casualty" in military speak often means both killed and out-of-the-fight injured.

[Corvus]

They aren't including deserters or people waiting to be released to their babushkas.

There is a report that the Secretary of the National Security and Defence Council has admitted that Russia has lost contact with 8000 of its soldiers. Grain of salt as usual.

And speaking of - its has been reported and apparently confirmed by a Russian Veterans group that the deputy commander of the 41st Combined Arms Army, Major General Andrei Sukhovestky has died in Ukraine, though how was not specified. If true, something went badly wrong for such a high ranking officer to be killed. Unless he fell out a window for opposing something.

[Jessicka]

What's going on in Ukraine is showing more that many Russian tanks being used in the field are decades out of date against modern countermeasures, rather than armour having no place on a modern battlefield.

Armour in general has been out of date since Hellfire and TOW missiles, which have been kicking around for decades as well.

They’re using T-84s, insofar as tanks go, it’s not that those are bad. It’s just tanks themselves just aren’t what they were and why most of NATO has moved away from using massed numbers of them.

It’s kind of interesting though how effective the AAA has been, the idea that helicopter gunships are ‘better tanks’ hasn’t worked for Russia either, since their air losses haven’t been sustainable either with them ceding air supremacy and leaving it contested.

Infantry with various kinds of missile launchers is a weird kind of future.

[Voidwielder]

Even more cruise missiles raining down.
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