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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    The only realistic way you will see nukes being put on the table by Putin is if he has some progressive mental disease that deteriorates his ability to think or someone takes out his kids at which point he REALLY has nothing left to lose.
    i honestly think there is a non zero probability that Russia may use small yield tactical nuke against Ukraine if Putin is frustrated enough and needs a win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    The people who put him there and keep him there would off him the moment it's a thing anyway.

    It's not even about children or "something to lose", he is a mere mortal, not Iron Man and not a god. He's not even Kim Jong Un, even that guy needs to watch his back, let alone Putin.

    He knows full well that if he tries - he won't be a thing one way or another even before anyone bothers to launch.

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    Yes. Pretty much.

    There was a bait 100% and yes the luck is that not only Putin took the bait, but he fucked it up royally too combined with Ukraine actually putting up a fight.
    It's much like the US took Osama's bait hook, line and sinker. He expected 9/11 to send shockwaves through the country, I doubt he expected them to be so stupid about it that they'd invade one of the primary opponents of radical Islam in the Middle East and fuck up the region so much that a new Califate would rise up and Afghanistan would be retaken by the Taliban in literally two days. The asshole most definitely laughed in his watery grave when those happened.

    And not to diminish Ukraine's tenacity, but I do think had the Russians be competent about it there's not much they could have done. A properly equipped, prepared, supplied and led Russian army really should have swept them aside. Unless I really do overestimate the Russians by a lot and/or underestimate how much aid Ukraine got. I'm still surprised as to how little Russia's air force is doing. Their doctrine depends less on air supremacy than America's but it's still something they should seek but apparently they half-assed that aspect even more than the rest. I predict that military scholars and analyst will both be baffled by this invasion for years to come and use it as a quick and handy "what not to do" showcase.
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    Watched a video of a Ukrainian man mourning the death of his wife Lyudmilla who was killed by Russian shelling in Mariupal.

    42 years of marriage together.

    Destroyed and for what? I don't understand this war at all. It was heartbreaking to see that man sob and demand why she was taken from him. The fuck did he do to deserve that? The fuck did any one in Ukraine do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Jensen View Post
    Watched a video of a Ukrainian man mourning the death of his wife Lyudmilla who was killed by Russian shelling in Mariupal.

    42 years of marriage together.

    Destroyed and for what? I don't understand this war at all. It was heartbreaking to see that man sob and demand why she was taken from him. The fuck did he do to deserve that? The fuck did any one in Ukraine do?
    let me guess, they didn't ask for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vankrys View Post
    i honestly think there is a non zero probability that Russia may use small yield tactical nuke against Ukraine if Putin is frustrated enough and needs a win.
    And the moment Russia tried that, they would be nuked off the face of the earth from multiple other nations who don't want to risk them doing the same to them now or in the immediate future when Russia gets extra paranoid about a retaliation.

    If they were to attempt a small yield nuke ANYWHERE, including inside their own borders outside of a test site, Russia's cockroaches wouldn't even survive the response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    And the moment Russia tried that, they would be nuked off the face of the earth from multiple other nations who don't want to risk them doing the same to them now or in the immediate future when Russia gets extra paranoid about a retaliation.

    If they were to attempt a small yield nuke ANYWHERE, including inside their own borders outside of a test site, Russia's cockroaches wouldn't even survive the response.
    The short answer is No. The long answer is Nooooooooooo.
    No one would touch Russia if they dropped a tactical nuke somewhere in Ukraine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    It doesn’t have to be entirely accurate, but the estimated costs of the technology aren’t hard to calculate for people familiar with such things.
    So then you should have a source for that, right?

    The cost of the R&D is one thing, the cost of manufacturing the missile is another.

    Also, the term "hypersonic missile" covers a large amount of ground, for that matter. HGV's will probably cost $50-100m each. I don't think HCM's will get there except for the extreme high end versions, perhaps. And the Kinzhal is pretty much as low-end of an HCM as you can get, as a somewhat-modified, air-launched Iskander missile.

    It's not really in the same class of HCM's envisioned by hypersonic missile R&D, let alone the more advanced HGV's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vankrys View Post
    i honestly think there is a non zero probability that Russia may use small yield tactical nuke against Ukraine if Putin is frustrated enough and needs a win.
    They don't need to, they have quite a few other better options like gas or biological. If it even comes to that.

    That's why you have US constantly mention these, because these are actually plausible, could happen kind of things.

    Nukes? No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    The short answer is No. The long answer is Nooooooooooo.
    No one would touch Russia if they dropped a tactical nuke somewhere in Ukraine.
    Your naive if you think that, if any nation launched a nuke at another, they could guarantee a response from others.

    If Russia were to nuke Ukraine, you can kiss Russia goodbye.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    The Pentagon thought Ukraine would fold quickly if memory serves.
    The Pentagon: We're sad that we overestimated the Afghan Army against the Taliban, but we're happy we underestimated Ukraine against Russia.

    Still... 0 for 2...
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    https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia...schwarzenegger

    Russia has made a powerful enemy today: Arnold Schwarzenegger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia...schwarzenegger

    Russia has made a powerful enemy today: Arnold Schwarzenegger.
    that guy also hates Trump too, if anyone remembers that speech he made denouncing Trump as human.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    that guy also hates Trump too, if anyone remembers that speech he made denouncing Trump as human.
    ???? who cares if he hates Trump?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    I'm not sure there's been a reliable price tag confirmed for the missiles used by Russia.
    It would be interesting to get one of those missiles, and see if the chips inside have this logo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Russia has made a powerful enemy today: Arnold Schwarzenegger.
    Arnie, you are a predator and an enemy.
    Wow...that's just...wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    ???? who cares if he hates Trump?
    the speech he made is still notable. He said in a deathly tone, to "enemies of democracy":

    You will never win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    the speech he made is still notable. He said in a deathly tone, to "enemies of democracy":

    You will never win.
    okay, I still have no idea what the problem with that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    okay, I still have no idea what the problem with that is.
    it's just badass

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia...schwarzenegger

    Russia has made a powerful enemy today: Arnold Schwarzenegger.
    It appears that Russia want Fort Ross in Sonoma back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    You think I need a source to show that manufacturing and material costs don’t differ wildly when you know what’s being used? Seriously?
    If you're claiming to support a price tag of $50+ million for a Russian Kinzhal missile, then sure.

    Shouldn't be difficult, right?
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