Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Skulltaker]

I must say: Goddamn has it been good to post in forums where the russian trolls are just permabanned straight up for posting pro-russia drivel, instead of this hellhole. Never change MMOC, you pile of shit.

And yet you come back here. Says a lot about you, to be honest.

[Draco-Onis]

If its just for new contracts later that is actually makes it a worse idea because it gives Europe a year to move further away from Russian gas and oil and then tell Russia its not happening, they can accept dollars or not sell anything and their economy explodes yet again.

It will take at least 10 years to move away from Russian oil and gas without causing a recession in Europe. It can be done now but the analysis points to a lot of EU countries going into a recession as a result due to rising inflation and energy prices rising. The figures vary wildly though somewhere between .2 - 5% because it's really hard to tell what a sudden cut like that would do.

[NED funded]

From what I heard the idea is that countries would have to buy rubles to pay the contracts, thereby increasing trading in the ruble and boosting the currency somewhat out of the current crater it is in.

But the government can use the reserves to purchase rubles and fix the exchange rage somewhat. They can do thanks to the dollars and euros they recieve from Europe xd

Like is the idea to outsource this process to Europe?

[Gaidax]

But the government can use the reserves to purchase rubles and fix the exchange rage somewhat. They can do thanks to the dollars and euros they recieve from Europe xd

Like is the idea to outsource this process to Europe?

I mean it's not rocket science, why use own reserves when you can just make West use theirs?

Naturally they use their own reserves to keep it up, but it's a nice little trick to reduce the load some. Now, it remains to be seen if this trick actually works out and it's definitely not "lol tomorrow you pay for gas in rubles".

It will certainly need new contracts and that takes time for current run their course.

[Magnagarde]

It is delusional to believe that Russia would ever return Crimea to Ukraine. The DPR and LPR are a no-go too, seeing as the RF duma recognized them. Even Kherson is under a huge question mark considering how much Russia lost in the process of taking the regional territory, not to mention the whole water problem in Crimea that is handled by keeping it under their control.

[Corvus]

Some video from Berdyansk - one ship gutted by flames and exploding. From other footage it looks like ammunition going off.

Two other LSTs trying to get away as quick as they can, no doubt being aware what the burning ship was carrying. The rearmost one of the two has a large fire on its deck and the front one appears like it has some smoke coming from it as well, though not major.

So 1 sunk and possibly 1 or 2 damaged.

You'd have to think that would mean a landing near Odessa would no longer be possible now.

[Gaidax]

It is delusional to believe that Russia would ever return Crimea to Ukraine. The DPR and LPR are a no-go too, seeing as the RF duma recognized them. Even Kherson is under a huge question mark considering how much Russia lost in the process of taking the regional territory, not to mention the whole water problem in Crimea that is handled by keeping it under their control.

On Crimea 100%, but the so-called DNR/LNR (DPR/LPR) - there is a wiggle room for compromise on Russian part.

A lot of course depends on what happens next month - if Russians regroup and cap a few more cities, they will have a much stronger negotiating position. I think they are banking on it.

[Corvus]

Something I saw pointed out, that while Russia loosing multiple generals may get all the attention, the very heavy losses among Russian battalion, regiment and brigade commanders and their staff is a bigger loss, as they are harder to replace. And there have been a lot of colonels and majors getting killed, just from the publicly acknowledged reports and funerals.

[Iphie]

Something I saw pointed out, that while Russia loosing multiple generals may get all the attention, the very heavy losses among Russian battalion, regiment and brigade commanders and their staff is a bigger loss, as they are harder to replace. And there have been a lot of colonels and majors getting killed, just from the publicly acknowledged reports and funerals.

I wonder though, as far as I know the ranks below general don't exactly have the same type of battlefield freedom as the same in western armies. You follow orders more than you assess the situation and act accordingly. I may be wrong though. In any case losing officers is bad.

[Gabriel]

And yet you come back here. Says a lot about you, to be honest.

It does, doesn't it?

[Santti]

It does, doesn't it?

You are not a burner account, are you? I seem to remember that name and avatar.

[Unholyground]

It is delusional to believe that Russia would ever return Crimea to Ukraine. The DPR and LPR are a no-go too, seeing as the RF duma recognized them. Even Kherson is under a huge question mark considering how much Russia lost in the process of taking the regional territory, not to mention the whole water problem in Crimea that is handled by keeping it under their control.

There won't be a Russia after this war.

[Gaidax]

There won't be a Russia after this war.

There must always be a Russia *thunder flash*.


It's kind of a naïve view frankly, Russia won't be going anywhere anytime soon. It may and likely will be worse for wear, but Russia is not Yugoslavia.

[zealo]

There won't be a Russia after this war.

There absolutely will be, Russia won't be imploding like that for the simple reason that a lot of Russians identify as Russian as their primary ethnic group, and will organise themselves along such lines politically.

[Santti]

There won't be a Russia after this war.

Oh, Russia ain't going anywhere. It's leadership might change, but it's still going to be Russia. I don't think anyone honestly wants Russia to go tits up like that. We were already shitting our collective pants when USSR fell, because of all the nukes and talent related to nukes going to places where we don't want them to go.

[Gaidax]

There absolutely will be, Russia won't be imploding like that for the simple reason that a lot of Russians identify as Russian as their primary ethnic group, and will organise themselves along such lines politically.

It's even more than that - last thing West is interested is finding a bunch of rogue states up for grabs choke full of nukes and what not instead of Russia.

[downnola]

You are not a burner account, are you? I seem to remember that name and avatar.

If frustrating Russian troll factory workers into getting themselves banned was a sport, Gabriel would be in the Hall of Fame. He's an OG.

[Shadowferal]

It's even more than that - last thing West is interested is finding a bunch of rogue states up for grabs choke full of nukes and what not instead of Russia.

I suspect the US/UK have contingencies planned just in case. The collapse of the USSR had to be a learning experience.

[Belize]

Some video from Berdyansk - one ship gutted by flames and exploding. From other footage it looks like ammunition going off.

Two other LSTs trying to get away as quick as they can, no doubt being aware what the burning ship was carrying. The rearmost one of the two has a large fire on its deck and the front one appears like it has some smoke coming from it as well, though not major.

So 1 sunk and possibly 1 or 2 damaged.

You'd have to think that would mean a landing near Odessa would no longer be possible now.

At least 1 more damaged, you can see the back ship is also on fire.

Wonder what hit them.

[Gaidax]

I suspect the US/UK have contingencies planned just in case. The collapse of the USSR had to be a learning experience.

There is a contingency for everything, I bet there is contingency for alien invasion too, does not mean West wants to find itself dealing with that one.

Afghanistan was a learning experience too and it was a bunch of bearded guys with kalashnikovs getting some tribes together. Last thing you want is 10 more of these and with nukes at that.