We have reasons to be antagonistic towards Putin, mostly the fact his assassins poisoned multiple people on our soil, killing two of them. But to state that our behaviour towards Russia constitutes a propaganda campaign with the intent on provoking war with them is just pants-on-head ridiculous.
Sorry, the detail was wrong, there was a report, but the report for what there was of it (much of it redacted) said there was never any investigation in the first place, so that's not much of a report. We just ignored Russia's influence, while the Americans found a ton of it. We continue to ignore it, straight up refused to try to investigate it, and we continue to kick the can down the road in taking meaningful action to deal with it or Russia's actions in general.
The actions really run in the entire opposite direction to the recent propaganda campaign and I find that to be quite the red flag in terms of gaslighting. Who benefits from us doing nothing about their influence right here at home on the one hand, and talking a good fight when it comes to them messing in Ukraine? At this point, it seems only to be Russia, they get to carry on passing envelopes of cash around Whitehall, while playing victim to NATO's aggression.
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If it's more than propaganda, where's the full investigation into Russian influence on UK soil - the one Johnson refused to initiate? Where's the sanctions that actually impact Russia's actions? Where's the litigation and investigations into money laundering?
The antagonism is all fucking talk, and absolutely zero substance whatsoever. Everything just carries on as it was. It is obviously propaganda.
The real problem here is that there are no men with balls left to run the West. Everyone is too busy eating their pretzel, looking down their phone or being depressed about their cat biting the dust.
Send 100.000 NATO troops to surround Königsberg as a part of "military drills", put forward a plan to reunite lands taken away by the Soviets and park nuclear weapons right in the middle of Kharkov and Odessa. That ought to send a message. If they don't want to get the message, then the same fate awaits us all. It is a lot better than being a ping-pong slave of the 21st century version of Hitler's Lebensraum, which keeps expanding every few years.
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Ukraine's interests were best served by following Minsk agreement. Noone ever proposed any better deal. That would get them Donbass back and territorial integrity restored, and everyone could go on with "business as usual"
As you see no matter how hard we tried we couldn't actually force them to follow it over 8 years; thus we had to go with alternative we could do on our own.
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Supporting insurgencies, deposing agreeable governments, fomenting unrest with "color revolutions" - "not a threat", right. Maybe if you were born yesterday.
The threat is quite obviously mutual.Russia is the only 1 threat in Europe.
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Ukraines interests were russia not invading crimea, not arming + training + supplying violent separatists. Yet here with are with putin doing a lecture on interpretive history to justify his criminal actions.
he doesn't think Ukraine is a real country thats it.
Hes been living in his bunker afraid of covid for so long its fried his brain.
Ukraine's interests were also not joining into Association Agreement and breaking ties with Russia. Somehow you never cared about that one. "Not following along with our plans? Instant sanctions and protest support!"
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Association Agreement and following reforms are quite obviously EU version of "Lebensraum".
"Free movement in EU" so that EU could more easily exploit their workforce while giving them none of EU benefits.
Only the inadvertent kind: "Putin says it was 'madness' that national republics were given the right to leave the Russian Empire."
https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/st...iPS7IPrtJgqUiw
Should at least be a handy reference for those still desperately trying to pretend Putin has any other motive.
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. There is nothing more or else to it, and there never has been, in any place or time. --Frank Wilhoit
it was in their interests. Just not Russias. Too bad you don't like it.
Watching Mad Vlad giving his non-factual history lesson, and non-factual ukraine analysis is sad and dark.
Hes been projecting what he wants to do for weeks.
Genocide the Crimean tartars, and forcibly assimilate Ukraine.
I just can't believe we live in a decade where a country still thinks it can invade another country. I really hope Putin and his supporters find their "victory" as bittersweet as defeat in the aftermath. Fuck Putin and fuck anyone and the trolls who back him.
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