Russian invasion of Ukraine

[MCMLXXXII]

In war there's lots of spin, heck ukrainians are lying the whole time even when its not war, now that there is, I wouldn't trust anything they say, especially not when they are loosing so badly. They even ok'd child soldiers to fight, a sure sign they have totally lost their minds n the war.

But thank god the russians are telling the truth...

Another shill thinking outside of the male 18-60 group only children exist...

[alkyd]

It's not like they are gonna need them in the foreseeable future.

Unless of course, NL tries to charge an American politician with war crimes, then they have to defend themselves against US invasion.

[MCMLXXXII]

Unless of course, NL tries to charge an American politician with war crimes, then they have to defend themselves against US invasion.

Iirc the ICC, and that's not the Netherlands, it just situated in The Hague, tried to do that with the Iraqi war.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit...Criminal_Court

[alkyd]

Iirc the ICC, and that's not the Netherlands, it just situated in The Hague, tried to do that with the Iraqi war.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit...Criminal_Court

But if an American citizen ends up in Hague waiting for ICC trial, then 'The Hague Invasion Act' comes into force.

[Voidwielder]

Kyiv will fall before weekend is over.

[Ihavewaffles]

well, the OSCE has been monitoring on the ground for years how Ukrainian army n their Azov nazi battalion has artillery shelled (civilians) towns in the Donbass. Oddly, west was blind to the warcrimes all these 8 years n only now are crying n waking up about casualties.

Totally not hypocritical at all.

[Draco-Onis]

Only issue I see with the whole SWIFT thing, won't Russia just start using China's alternative? Which they've been trying to pressure other countries to switch too anyway.

Yes and other means but that is the point doing that comes with heavy fees and significantly slows down the process. Chinese banks aren't going to be doing this out of the goodness of their hearts and it will also cause outflows of foreign reserves from Russia to China all bad things for the Russian economy.

[Gref]

taken from theguardian
There’s some confusion about the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskiy’s claim earlier that Turkey had pledged to close the straits to access the Black Sea.

Russia, via the Interfax news agency, has said it has had no official notification of the closure. There is speculation that Zelenskiy’s tweet may have been a request for Turkey to take action, rather than a confirmation that it would be in place.

The Montreux convention, which governs the Bosphorus and Dardanelles straits, says ships from Black Sea states will be allowed to return to port during wartime. If Turkey did go ahead and ban warships from the strait, it would break the convention.

fucking complicated. if only that idiot erdogan didnt turn the country dependent on russian gas and wheat. then again I am happy to see bayraktar drones are helping ukranians. I cannot help but admire their resistance. Also why the paid russian trolls are still not banned here?

[alkyd]

taken from theguardian
There’s some confusion about the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskiy’s claim earlier that Turkey had pledged to close the straits to access the Black Sea.

Russia, via the Interfax news agency, has said it has had no official notification of the closure. There is speculation that Zelenskiy’s tweet may have been a request for Turkey to take action, rather than a confirmation that it would be in place.

The Montreux convention, which governs the Bosphorus and Dardanelles straits, says ships from Black Sea states will be allowed to return to port during wartime. If Turkey did go ahead and ban warships from the strait, it would break the convention.

fucking complicated. if only that idiot erdogan didnt turn the country dependent on russian gas and wheat. then again I am happy to see bayraktar drones are helping ukranians. I cannot help but admire their resistance. Also why the paid russian trolls are still not banned here?

Turkey can still deny passage to any warships coming from Black Sea.

Edit: Also, Turkey's economy is heavily dependent on tourism. And guess which nationality makes up a big portion of their annual visitors list?

[Grapemask]

well, the OSCE has been monitoring on the ground for years how Ukrainian army n their Azov nazi battalion has artillery shelled (civilians) towns in the Donbass. Oddly, west was blind to the warcrimes all these 8 years n only now are crying n waking up about casualties.

Totally not hypocritical at all.

Your posts are starting to read an awful lot like propaganda.

[Gref]

@alkyd the thing is let say we ban on the paper. how are we going to stop it physically? Russian ship is closing in, we open fire? how we stop that? literally block the straits with ships? what happens to commercial ships then.

[Magnagarde]

Finally a big local success, a destroyed column of Rosgvardia, ~29 or so vehicles. Some questions remain, but shitload of lost equipment regardless.



I absolutely doubt they were told that.
To highly simplify it - split Ukraine along the Dniepr river and you will have your general sympathies for each side. Though the average citizen, just like everywhere in the world, could not give two shits about this, as long as they are left alone. Marginals and some, who have become more extremist over the years will be your usual loud voice.

As for saboteurs - I think it is total bullshit and Ukrainian panic. Some were definitely there, but as of now they are shooting each other much more than the supposed diversants.

Many were definitely told there would be little resistance once there's a landing in Odessa and entry into Kharkiv. They expected fierce resistance towards Kiev and the rest of Donetsk/Luhansk territories. You can judge by the type of troops and the armaments/looks of the different forces captured/killed in different regions. The inexperienced weekend soldiers went to Kharkiv. The experienced ones went to Donetsk, Luhansk and attempted a direct takeover of the airports in Kiev.

Half the small towns and villages in Kharkiv and Odessa will probably fall with little to no resistance due to the ethnic composition of the regions. The land-wide aggression might somewhat change this.

When it comes to the saboteurs, there's definitely quite a few of them. They're marking buildings and AA weapons systems that are concealed in urban areas for cruise missile strikes and airstrikes.

[MCMLXXXII]

well, the OSCE has been monitoring on the ground for years how Ukrainian army n their Azov nazi battalion has artillery shelled (civilians) towns in the Donbass. Oddly, west was blind to the warcrimes all these 8 years n only now are crying n waking up about casualties.

Totally not hypocritical at all.

Strange, haven't seen that report. I've seen one about them beating up prisoners but not the one you mention. Could you share the URL to that report? Just to be sure: it has to start with www.osce.org/

[Draco-Onis]

@alkyd the thing is let say we ban on the paper. how are we going to stop it physically? Russian ship is closing in, we open fire? how we stop that? literally block the straits with ships? what happens to commercial ships then.

Naval blockades are not a new thing it has been done to varying degrees of success depending on resources used. Edrogan is in a very bad place right now and needs a win, a foreign adversary might just be the solution to his sagging poll numbers.

[alkyd]

@alkyd the thing is let say we ban on the paper. how are we going to stop it physically? Russian ship is closing in, we open fire? how we stop that? literally block the straits with ships? what happens to commercial ships then.

Again, you can't stop Russian ship returning to their Black Sea ports. But you can stop them from coming out. It's same as closing airspace. So yes, Turkey can fire at them in this case.

[Draco-Onis]

Your posts are starting to read an awful lot like propaganda.

Awful lot? it's word for word Russian propaganda.

[Easo]

Russian news are getting more dumb by the moment, with literally 7 minute difference between "attacks have been paused for peace talks" and "operation continues due to Kiev's refusal for talks".

[Magnagarde]

well, the OSCE has been monitoring on the ground for years how Ukrainian army n their Azov nazi battalion has artillery shelled (civilians) towns in the Donbass. Oddly, west was blind to the warcrimes all these 8 years n only now are crying n waking up about casualties.

Totally not hypocritical at all.

While the Azov battalion definitely commited war crimes, I'm sure that nobody would react as heavily as they're doing now if Russia destroyed them with airstrikes at the contact line. The ultra right-wing nationalists of the Azov battalion are almost all at the contact line with the separatist breakaway areas. Russia could've flattened the Azov force within a day's time, while leaving the rest of the country unharmed by conflict.

[Corvus]

BBC is reporting that twitter has been blocked for Russian users. If true, I guess the Russian government really doesn't want the populace to find out what is going on.

[alkyd]

BBC is reporting that twitter has been blocked for Russian users. If true, I guess the Russian government really doesn't want the populace to find out what is going on.

Twitter is not such a reliable source anyway with lots of fake videos and claims from both sides. Actually, there are no reliable sources in times of war.