I don't see the correct option of "complete trash" listed.
I don't see the correct option of "complete trash" listed.
So naturally you're just going to ignore that Mendzia claimed 93% of the forum members, and not 93% of the poll results? Or 93% of the people who posted in the thread? Or anything close to that, no, the claim was 93% OF THE FORUM MEMBERS. Caps for emphasis, because maybe you'll get my issue here with the statement and why I corrected it then.
There's nothing really on that level. That phrase sounded like a quick excuse they had to make after realizing that there was an issue, and WoD in general was a perfect example of "This sounds cool lets do it" which basically ruled their storymaking in the first place.
"El Psy Kongroo!" Hearthstone Moderator
That's a stretch. Cata Sylvanas is really no more villainous than her previous installments. The only difference is that before she was a victim which people conflate with being good/right. She just moved from being willing to step on anyone to get revenge to being willing to step on anyone for her own survival.
I wouldn't say a single thing about it was obvious other than them trying to make her go the whole villain route. Which ignoring all the inconsistencies in between with BfA they ultimately decided just to go "nope nvm, that was just half of her". So idk, making seem like this was premeditated almost makes it sound worse.Even if you stretch it hard and play dumb - can't deny that SL and whole Sylv arc was already obviously seeded in Legion from the very beginning and given you don't really write expansion story in 5 days, that's good 6-7 years ago already.
I don't think I ever said the current lore team is at fault for the whole of Sylvanas's character. In a way she's tragedy of having too many chefs in the kitchen. But assuming they were responsible for her writing in Shadowlands, even outside of the meta story, its not really good or satisfying.So let me ask you, how is Sylv a fault of current lore team? That's the hand they were dealt by your apparent lore master figures and they don't have much option but to finish this off and hopefully do some reset/cooldown next expansion.
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I've never known how much control the story team/lead actually has over the overarching plot and the setting, so I'm not comfortable pinning my many, many, many problems with the story on them entirely.
That said, even if they only have the freedom to tell a story within the confines of what the development team gives them, it still jumps around a lot and has some really stupid climaxes. So I'd still say that I'm dubious of Danuser's work quality.
Now we've got ~120people voting they do not like it but it is totally irrelevant what the exact number is.
The point is that we see certain trend that +90% players that are here do not like it.
Poeple will keep coming to this thread and some of them will click 'yes' and some 'no' on the poll but the same % will be here.
I also do not remember a poll with that one sided result on this forum, lol.
WoW has always been a shit show story
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"El Psy Kongroo!" Hearthstone Moderator
This is pretty fair. Just look at how TBC literally just killed off nearly every morally grey cool character from WC3 just because they thought it'd be cool to have them as a raid boss. Then in Legion, "uh yeh Illidan didn't actually die".
Then in cataclysm, why did deathwing bother make Ultraxion if he could just bring about the cataclysm himself?
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"El Psy Kongroo!" Hearthstone Moderator
Okay, so thanks for making it clear you jumped into the thread with no understanding of what's being said just to say "haha cope".
A bit of a tip, never said anything positive about Danuser, I just said the lore has always been a trainwreck and he just happened to be handed the crashing point. But again, a great example of why trying to claim cope just highlights how little people pay attention.
"El Psy Kongroo!" Hearthstone Moderator
I would rather have had a "meh" option. I don't like the story, but I don't hate it either. I can say it didn't retain me as a player, so perhaps from Blizzard's point of view I'm on the negative side.
My biggest gripes about the game aren't lore related anyway.
"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
"The bit about hardcore players not always caring about the long term interests of the game is spot on." -- Ghostcrawler
"Do you want a game with no casuals so about 500 players?"
Creating excuses is trying to mitigate his failed writer career. Wanting an "Indiferent" poll option on a binary opinion is mitigating his failed writer career.
For someone who isn't saying anything positive about this dude, you sure are trying your best to present him in a positive light.
Now sit and enjoy the failed writing in full display on this poll - that is surprising on a fan-website like this.
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I like how you say this literally while ignoring a poster JUST above you saying they're rather indifferent.
Your black and white view on the world is just shortsighted, and the fact that you're honestly trying to claim opinions are either "enjoy or dislike" is just horribly wrong.
You can enjoy your weird strawmanning to try to prove a point that doesn't exist though.
"El Psy Kongroo!" Hearthstone Moderator
They can say whatever they want - in fact, you overlooked the fact that they state they are not that bothered with Lore anyways. So why participate in Lore related polls?
In the end, if you are interested in WoW Lore and Story, you will either like the direction it's going or you don't. But you knew that already. You are just still trying to justify a better outlook for the failure that is Danuser.
There's literally no debating with you is there lol.
If you're interested in WoW in general, you're still going to be presented with the story, to which you can be indifferent on. The fact that this is in the lore forum isn't some "gotcha" moment like you think it is, it's just where it happened to be created and it does fit. Anyone who browses the forums in general can see this thread due to its activity on the front page.
Your weird hate for Danuser is beyond me, but just because people are indifferent about him doesn't mean you should throw your hate for him at them, as you are. You don't accomplish anything by doing...whatever is it you're attempting to do. I'm allowed to be indifferent about him while realizing the story was always a trainwreck waiting to happen. It's reasonable to also point that out.
What's weird is to try to take that statement and claim that there's some ulterior motive to it. If I thought the guy was a good writer, I'd say it. Indifference draws the same ire as enjoying him so why would I bother to try to mask that as you're claiming?
In short, jesus man you're taking this far too personal. Pointing out opinion based polls should always have an indifferent/neutral choice isn't some hot take that you think it is.
"El Psy Kongroo!" Hearthstone Moderator
WoD was terrible, but this whole Jailer thing was a letdown of COSMIC proportions.