How long do these summaries go on for? Feels like Heard's team have been going on for a long time compared to Depp's.
How long do these summaries go on for? Feels like Heard's team have been going on for a long time compared to Depp's.
hehe, even the Amber Alert is objecting.
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2h each total for all of the claims and counterclaims + rebuttal.
Rottenborn has been talking for 45min atm, but yeah, feels longer.
Camilles were 1h 20min isch I think.
Fuck me rottenborn rubs me the wrong way.
He says himself "They show you a picture where he has a wedding ring, or some form of other ring"
"They try to tell you he always wears ring, but the picture shows him wearing no rings".
Imagine contradicting yourself in the sentence straight after.
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Sure, and I'm 100% sympathetic to this. If you engage by starting with "trying to analyze Heard based on body language, or even your perception of her in court, is stigmatizing and doesn't consider neurodivergent people", or something similar to that, there wouldn't be any confusion. Moreover, I think any reasonable person would look at a statement like that and broadly agree, and if they didn't then it would at least give a point from which to correct them or engage with them meaningfully.
Sylvanas didn't even win the popular vote, she was elected by an indirect election of representatives. #NotMyWarchief
Wait, he said that their witness said there wasn't enough glass on the floor for a handle of vodka.
Even though that question got objected to due to speculation and sustained. So they never got an answer to that...
Or did I miss a witness?
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I'm no expert but isn't it pretty unusual to make objections during closing arguments? Wasn't expecting that. Heard's lawyer doing a decent job IMO. Depp even looked impressed at one point.
Edit: third objection already
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So you just don't believe that relationships with one abuser exist because if the victim also is shitty at times both are abusers? Well, that's certainly a position to take.
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You are one of these reactionaries at this point.
Heard's team made a massive mistake. The rebuttal times are:
39 minutes (remaining) for Depp.
6 minutes (remaining) for Heard.
That's a lot of time for Depp's team to do damage to Heard's case, and no time for Heard's team to undo it. This doesn't help the fact that Heard's lawyers were contrasted so heavily within their own team. Elaine was terrible compared to Rottenborn and, as a viewer, I was more annoyed by her team than I was in the last few weeks of watching the trial. Rottenborn made a good case, Elaine ruined that case.
Sylvanas didn't even win the popular vote, she was elected by an indirect election of representatives. #NotMyWarchief
They should have had Rottenborn do the entire closing. He was doing really well, good enough that if I was on the Jury I would be considering what he said. Elaine kind of undid all that and used up a ton of time.
If a court with a reversed burden of proof had found in favor of Mr. Heard and then Ms. Depp chose to engage in litigation in a state where the standards were significantly more favorable for a public circus I'd still be pointing out how it is far from cut and dry.
The only difference would be the absence of the sociopolitical overtones that have come with the usual suspects leaping on this case as a method of payback over #metoo.
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Not believing this particular case was a instance with a single abuser in no way implies that I don't believe single-sided cases of abuse exist. What a ridiculous fucking strawman, rofl.
You also apparently don't know what reactionary means. Like I said, I really appear to have touched a nerve here.
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He was definitely better, he had some ups and downs though for me. He did put up a strong case, but saying "you are smarter than that" to a jury, implying they are stupid if they don't give Heard the win probably put some off.
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His entire forum presence is about touching nerves.
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Hope runkle of the bailey made it into court...really curious how the jury reacted to the different closing arguments. Or someone else who did. Know of 2 that went in to take notes of just that.
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Not really, I think most of your arguments are useless at best or just reactionary rambling. You are somehow absolutely fine with one side not just committing perjury in front of everyone but also accusing everyone else of committing perjury. At the same time, all the other arguments presented by that very same side would easily explain everything JD went through and they'd be more believable too.
But but but they were both shitty because the victim reacted to the abuser is just stupid as an argument and in no way makes them both abusers regardless of the case in question.
I go solely by what has been presented and one side lied more than once with proof that they were lies and trying to wiggle themselves out of these lies, I couldn't care less about gender or race of either side.
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