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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    I prefer this one, personally...
    You one of those moms for liberty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    I have a hard time thinking that anyone who isn't a conservative doesn't believe the movement has changed between Obama being elected and now.
    And even some conservatives have. They see the danger in Trump and his cult of violent terrorists.

    But enough about random posters making it look like Democrats are the problem while intentionally coddling violent terrorists. Instead, let's talk about Elon Musk making it look like the Democrats are the problem while intentionally coddling violent terrorists.

    Twitter’s own lawyers refute Elon Musk’s claim that the ‘Twitter Files’ exposed US government censorship

    "Are you just dumping CNN points because they're toxic?"

    No, I'm spending CNN points because they're desperate to dig themselves out of the six-foot-deep hole they put themselves in, and keep coming up with articles like this one to overcompensate.

    For months, Twitter owner Elon Musk and his allies have amplified baseless claims that the US government illegally coerced Twitter into censoring a 2020 New York Post article about Hunter Biden. The foundation for those claims rests on the so-called “Twitter Files,” a series of reports by a set of handpicked journalists who, at Musk’s discretion, were given selective access to historical company archives.

    Now, though, Twitter’s own lawyers are disputing those claims in a case involving Trump
    As in, violent terrorist cult leader Trump that Musk specifically and directly allowed back on Twitter.

    forcefully rejecting any suggestion that the Twitter Files show what Musk and many Republicans assert they contain.

    In a court filing last week, Twitter’s attorneys contested one of the most central allegations to emerge from the Twitter Files: that regular communications between the FBI and Twitter ahead of the 2020 election amounted to government coercion to censor content or, worse, that Twitter had become an actual arm of the US government.

    The Twitter Files also show the Trump administration made its own requests for removal of Twitter content. And the payments to Twitter have also been identified as routine reimbursements for responding to subpoenas and investigations, not payments for content moderation decisions.

    Nothing in the new materials shows any governmental actor compelling or even discussing any content-moderation action with respect to Trump” and others participating in the suit, Twitter argued.

    The communications unearthed as part of the Twitter Files do not show coercion, Twitter’s lawyers wrote, “because they do not contain a specific government demand to remove content—let alone one backed by the threat of government sanction.”

    “Instead,” the filing continued, the communications “show that the [FBI] issued general updates about their efforts to combat foreign interference in the 2020 election.”
    It's hardly news around here that some people, most notably Trump, say a lot of things in public but say something different on the stand. Well, welcome to the club, Twitter Files.

    Elon Musk's own lawyers are saying, in court, under oath, that the Twitter Files show nothing unConstitutional happened. Or even anything all that unusua

    Bear in mind, even Trump saw this coming.

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    I don't think anything has changed with what the Twitter Files "prove," or the general weakness of dismissing the useful conclusions from them as resulting from bias or cherry picking. See my previous posts on the matter.
    I am now asking you, tehdang, specifically and directly to comment. As quoted above, you have discussed the Twitter Files before, and at this point seem to be the only one defending them. And I am asking other people on these forums who have specifically and directly called you out for it, including but not limited to

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    Were you, perchance, looking for this?
    This is a fast-moving thread and you've repeatedly demonstrated you view the Twitter Files favorably, tehdang, so asking for your opinion on the matter is exactly what the "mention" ability is for.

    You can either respond, or, you can prove your earlier posts were not genuine and only written to generate responses. Gosh, there should be a word for that. Can't think of what it is off the bottom of my bridge, though.

    My opinion? The Twitter Files are now officially debunked, by Twitter itself, in court, under oath. It would take significant evidence -- yes, stronger than Twitter's own lawyers in court under oath -- to claim they ever had any merit at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    I want to drink a beer without political statements and social issues on the bottle. Plain and simple.

    I’m all for showing support but it can go too far.
    Something tells me you would be ok if that beer had a American flag on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    The one in which the right side hasn't moved since 2008? So, you're saying that conservatives have always been filled with violent Nazi terrorism?
    Hey, you said it, not me!

    But seriously, the idea that it's the left in the US that's running even further left will never not be laughable. Of course, these are the same fuckers that see saying "Happy Holidays" as a heinous attack on the core values of The Judeo-Christian West™, so naturally their perception of the world is...distorted.

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    https://www.axios.com/2023/06/07/fox...ontract-breach

    So Carlson had his first episode of his show on Twitter.

    Fox is apparently claiming he violated his contract. I imagine over a non-compete etc. that he signed.

    It'll be interesting seeing if non-competes like that actually stand up in court if this ends up there. Either way, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    I prefer this one, personally...

    Top. Fucking. Kek.

    Oh you poor victim. Hey everyone, we need a month for Winter so she doesn’t feel left out. Poor lady thinks she’s not the problem. Looool.
    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Amadeus View Post
    Yes it is. Breaking into someone’s home and sanctuary is a violation of someone’s person. When I said rape yes I meant it. Not just having your stuff taken which is disturbing enough. Breaking into someone’s home were they and their family sleeping. Yeah rape is the appropriate comparison.
    Mall Cop thinks Home Invasion ='s Rape

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    I prefer this one, personally...

    Except this isn't even REMOTELY true. We know this isn't true because of the fucking fascist bullshit Republicans have been pushing since Trump came into office. Book bannings of anything they deem racist, woke, lgbt, crt, banning classes about minorities, trying to tackle corporations on being inclusive, trying to ban trans and gay people.

    The left hasn't moved, the right has sprinted to full Hitler status, minus the genocide, but they are trying to do that if they could. Hell, even elected officials are calling for that genocide RIGHT NOW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Except this isn't even REMOTELY true. We know this isn't true because of the fucking fascist bullshit Republicans have been pushing since Trump came into office. Book bannings of anything they deem racist, woke, lgbt, crt, banning classes about minorities, trying to tackle corporations on being inclusive, trying to ban trans and gay people.

    The left hasn't moved, the right has sprinted to full Hitler status, minus the genocide, but they are trying to do that if they could. Hell, even elected officials are calling for that genocide RIGHT NOW.
    And she followed willingly.

    That’s the important part.
    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Amadeus View Post
    Yes it is. Breaking into someone’s home and sanctuary is a violation of someone’s person. When I said rape yes I meant it. Not just having your stuff taken which is disturbing enough. Breaking into someone’s home were they and their family sleeping. Yeah rape is the appropriate comparison.
    Mall Cop thinks Home Invasion ='s Rape

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    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    And she followed willingly.

    That’s the important part.
    So did the other 10s of millions of maganuts in this country. Hopefully they wake up when they eventually have gay or trans family members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    Top. Fucking. Kek.

    Oh you poor victim. Hey everyone, we need a month for Winter so she doesn’t feel left out. Poor lady thinks she’s not the problem. Looool.
    Winter Blossom Awareness Month. I second this proposal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Fox is apparently claiming he violated his contract.
    I think FOX News is almost certainly correct. Tucker has attempted to get out of his contract before, claiming FOX News broke it, in this May 9 article. Best of my knowledge, no court upheld that claim. And I doubt FOX News left in "oh, but you can do whatever you want on the interwebs" that would let him out.

    I'm looking forward to seeing how much Carlson's rampant devotion to Trump costs him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    the right has sprinted to full Hitler status, minus the genocide
    Immigrant family separation counts as genocide.

    The forced hysterectomies are similar to what Hitler wanted for Poland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    It’s why both sides will never meet in the middle to find compromise because they’re too busy attacking each other.
    Four decades of compromise is precisely why America has slid so far.

    I'll never understand why so many people spout off all this anti-corporate, anti-consumerism shit and then turn around and support Conservatives.


    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    I prefer this one, personally...

    Except this is absolutely horseshit, especially if you're an American. Just shows how utterly ignorant you are of politics. The vast majority of Democrats in office are right wing neoliberals and are only marginally to the left of moderate Republicans. Some Democrats like Joe Manchin are even to the Right of some moderate Republicans on economic issues.

    This is a bit old, but here's the actual Overton Window for the USA in 2016. It's actually shifted further right since then:



    Of course leave it to an enlightened centrist to boil down all politics to some culture war bullshit like "they put a queer person on a beer can or whatever and now my pee pee feels funny so I'm gonna shoot it with my shotgun."

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    Winter Blossom Awareness Month. I second this proposal.
    Pour one out for Vegas82. He called it months ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    I prefer this one, personally...

    Well they’re certainly doing a speed-run of crying bigotry and asserting that you’re a bad mom for *checks notes* thinking pride month is a corporatized mess that has lost its purpose.

    Interesting that nobody said the ad hominem was inappropriate or went too far that also disagreed with you. Really stellar work showing centrists that they’re not allowed to exhibit dissenting opinions on a commercialized celebratory month-long event. The picture is faulty for not showing them physically pushing you away.
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    Ah good, the troll has come in support of the "enlightened centrist", as is tradition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    Well they’re certainly doing a speed-run of crying bigotry and asserting that you’re a bad mom for *checks notes* thinking pride month is a corporatized mess that has lost its purpose.
    Except she didn't just say that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Honestly, I’m over every topic that needs a month of celebration. We need to move on from this stupid shit.
    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Of course not, but when every damn month is celebrating a whole month of something, it becomes pretty fucking stupid, and I’m not surprised that companies are starting to stop. I don’t wanna celebrate every damn thing, and I surely don’t wanna feel bad for not advertising that I’m supporting this months fake bullshit.
    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Yeah, fuck off, I’d just want to sell my products and not engage in politics and social issues.
    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Have a day. Nothing needs a month.
    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    I want to drink a beer without political statements and social issues on the bottle. Plain and simple.
    "Pride is a corporatized mess that has lost its purpose" is a motte and bailey argument wherein complaining about commercialization is a fig leaf for the actual complaint about queer visibility. Which is exceedingly obvious when the argument is paired with very blatant dogwhistles like the above.

    It'd be tedious if it weren't just so funny how you lot think you're being subtle with your bigotry when you're just rehashing the same shit we've had to listen to for more than half a century.
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    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeatBlast View Post
    Clueless takes for 200, alex
    Please re-read the posts in the thread if you missed them, and tell me if you agree that someone cannot be supportive of the message of Pride month while thinking it would be better off as a day or weekend or whatever. Take as much time as you need. You weren't the most virulently against having the idea, but certainly you're capable of reading how hard others came after the disagreement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Ah good, the troll has come in support of the "enlightened centrist", as is tradition.
    You said "nobody is forcing you to join in the festivities, shrew" right before somebody questioned whether she would end her support for her gay daughter and another asserted that she doesn't have a choice regarding Pride month if she believes the issue behind it deserves response.

    I've got two eyes here reading a thread, buddy. Maybe repudiate your past post now, or reconcile it with people saying she doesn't get to support what she supports and also think Pride month needs to be reimagined. This is pretty vicious, even for the average tone of leftists in these parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    So Carlson had his first episode of his show on Twitter.
    Is that the one where he outright called Zelenskyy a "shifty Jew?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    Please re-read the posts in the thread if you missed them, and tell me if you agree that someone cannot be supportive of the message of Pride month while thinking it would be better off as a day or weekend or whatever.
    The argument that it's become "a corporatized mess that has lost its purpose" has nothing to do with its duration. Nor do either of these arguments have to do with the complaint that "I just want to do business/consume product without it being political."

    Again, I'm not sure why either she or you think you're being subtle.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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