SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

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And while there are plenty of right wing trolls doing this, it isn't exclusive to them, plenty will do it cosplaying just for reactions.

I'd also like to point out that the Venn diagram of "legitimate bigots being bigots" and "trolls pretending to be bigots for reactions" is a single perfect circle. There's no distinction there. The latter are the former.

[Fugus]

Nobody here but you, apparently, gives any shits what little personal "game" Varx may or may not have been playing.

He doesn't set the rules of engagement nor the goals that people are seeking to achieve. His interpetation of events here is meaningless and irrelevant to anyone but himself. Regardless of whether he was playing such a game, the rest of us weren't, and he thus has no points to "win" except in his own head.

Why should any of us give a shit? Why would you? If he wasn't playing by the rules of good faith discussion, which is the actual "game" being played here, he "lost". So badly he's now banned.

You're arguing the top set of panels. Reality is the bottom set of panels. C'mon. https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/.../Trollface.png

So you are saying that you guys don't care that you guys are paying played for fools in his eyes and many others feeding into a pointless back and forth where they don't care about the merits of the conversation at all but just to get a response from you?

It isn't a case of it just being him who thinks he won, to anyone who sees the game he is playing, he won. You maybe have won the game you think you are playing with him, but that isn't the game he is playing at all.

But, if the logic boils down to.
1) I don't care if he won his game, I wasn't playing.
2) I won my game even if he wasn't playing it.

Just seems like a really bad take and just a consolation prize when he never intended to play your game and he drug you into his game whether you admitted it or not. But up to you guys.

Just expect him to come back in the future after his time out is up and he will continue his game and he will continue to win in it against you because you refuse to stop playing. But that's on you guys.

[Endus]

So you are saying that you guys don't care that you guys are paying played for fools in his eyes

Yes, I legitimately could not give less of a single shit what Varx thinks about me. Or a lot of other people, for that matter. Why the hell would I waste my time worrying about shit like that?

A lot of right-wing posters think I'm a psycho commie for being a socialist. And? Fuck 'em. I do not and won't ever care what they think. None of them matter to me. They can go on being wrong about me forever, and it'll never impact me in the least.

It isn't a case of it just being him who thinks he won, to anyone who sees the game he is playing, he won. You maybe have won the game you think you are playing with him, but that isn't the game he is playing at all.

Sure feels like you're kicking off your own match right now, with how you're pushing this pretty fuckin' silly idea.

Just expect him to come back in the future after his time out is up and he will continue his game and he will continue to win in it against you because you refuse to stop playing. But that's on you guys.

Nobody but Varx and, apparently, yourself gives any consideration to what secret "game" Varx may or may not have been playing. Why would anyone here care? It doesn't matter. Not to anyone else here.

[Fugus]

I'd also like to point out that the Venn diagram of "legitimate bigots being bigots" and "trolls pretending to be bigots for reactions" is a single perfect circle. There's no distinction there. The latter are the former.

Massive overlap, but not a perfect circle, you really haven't seen people who try to get reactions just to get reactions?

There is plenty of distinction between a right wing bigot being a dumb ass and someone who doesn't care about either side of it or even think about it being an ass just to be an ass.

Which one is which is pretty hard to tell without a history of them before they started engaging in their stuff but given this is a gaming forum, can expect plenty who just wondered in this section be the same type who used to lure people into raids that were already completed just to get them saved to it for that week and unable to do anything just so they could laugh at them. That is the mindset you are "Debating" when you engage with them.

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Nobody but Varx and, apparently, yourself gives any consideration to what secret "game" Varx may or may not have been playing. Why would anyone here care? It doesn't matter. Not to anyone else here.

Well, enjoy when he returns along with all the Orlong's of the future that you guys encourage in your effect to be right even when it wasn't the point of the interaction for them. But again, that's on your side.

Like I said in my previous post, you are trying to "Debate" with the people who would have fun getting you saved to completed raids so you couldn't do anything that week just because they thought it was fun until Blizzard put in ways to prevent them from doing it.

[Endus]

Massive overlap, but not a perfect circle, you really haven't seen people who try to get reactions just to get reactions?

If you're gonna be racist for reactions, it's because you're racist to begin with.

It's like when people get drunk and accidentally say racist shit. That only happens because you're actually racist.

Perfect circle.

Well, enjoy when he returns along with all the Orlong's of the future that you guys encourage in your effect to be right even when it wasn't the point of the interaction for them. But again, that's on your side.

Like I said in my previous post, you are trying to "Debate" with the people who would have fun getting you saved to completed raids so you couldn't do anything that week just because they thought it was fun until Blizzard put in ways to prevent them from doing it.

He's the one locked into a raid so he can't post to the forum any more, dude.

[Fugus]

Well man, I am about to get off the forum for a little bit, got my nephew dragging me into minecraft.

Wish I could convey the mindset you are debating against with them and just how pointless and actually counter productive it is when you do but, at this point, I have no clue how to get it across to you guys.

Maybe it's because I know the mindset of the kids who would just screw with people for fun through multiple venues but regardless, if you enjoy engaging with him as much as he enjoys screwing with you, have at it.

Later, I get to start digging another cave while getting hit with skeleton archers, nephew enjoys the game far more than I do, but Bed Wars isn't so bad.

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If you're gonna be racist for reactions, it's because you're racist to begin with.

It's like when people get drunk and accidentally say racist shit. That only happens because you're actually racist.

Perfect circle.

You REALLY don't understand the mindset until you see someone trolling minorities and white supremacists at the same time claiming to be the other for laughs.

He's the one locked into a raid so he can't post to the forum any more, dude.

Way to miss the point entirely of what was said.

[Cthulhu 2020]

You REALLY don't understand the mindset until you see someone trolling minorities and white supremacists at the same time claiming to be the other for laughs.

Way to miss the point entirely of what was said.

No, I completely understand it. They're racist. They get called out on it. They go "Just chill bro, it's just a joke".

Then they go on to do it 50 more times.

How many times can someone be racist and claim it's just a joke before people realize they're just racist and too chicken shit to go full mask off? Since it's always right wingers and right adjacent people doing this, you'd really think everyone would have realized by now that they're not joking or playing games.

[Pannonian]

Well man, I am about to get off the forum for a little bit, got my nephew dragging me into minecraft.

Wish I could convey the mindset you are debating against with them and just how pointless and actually counter productive it is when you do but, at this point, I have no clue how to get it across to you guys.

Maybe it's because I know the mindset of the kids who would just screw with people for fun through multiple venues but regardless, if you enjoy engaging with him as much as he enjoys screwing with you, have at it.

Later, I get to start digging another cave while getting hit with skeleton archers, nephew enjoys the game far more than I do, but Bed Wars isn't so bad.

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You REALLY don't understand the mindset until you see someone trolling minorities and white supremacists at the same time claiming to be the other for laughs.



Way to miss the point entirely of what was said.

What you're not getting here, is that your little game, doesn't matter outside your little gamer-circle.

Racist shit, is racist shit. The intention doesn't matter. Also, consequences don't care for intention. We have a lot of laws when it comes to banning antisemitism, and they don't give a fuck about you believing in it or not. We saw the consequences of racist lies, and came to the conclusion that they're dangerous, and it doesn't matter WHY people spread them. Spreading them itself is the problem.

And to add to that, if you sprout this stuff, for the lulz, that makes you not a iota better than a racist. In my book even worse, because the racist at least thinks he is right. You're doing it in spite of knowing it is wrong, which is honestly disgusting.

So, you can continue to rant about your game, but i don't see anyone apart from you giving a fuck about it - which should probably tell you something.

[Nastard]

You maybe have won the game you think you are playing with him, but that isn't the game he is playing at all.

Wait, if two different people are playing two different games, each thinking they're winning... how is victory certain for one and not both (or really, neither)? Why do YOU get to determine which game is legit? Hell, by your own logic the person who wins is the one who wastes the least amount of time debating, so isn't the true winner the person who viewed this thread and refused to participate? Where's their trophy? So if we're just arbitrarily declaring game rules here, I declare the new rules for the game to be the person who has the sexiest avatar. Sweet, I win! Second place to Orange Joe.

Anyway, enjoy your time playing Minecraft with your nephew. If he defeats a creeper, be sure to tell him the creeper actually won the game because he forced your nephew to waste time attacking it.

[Fugus]

No, I completely understand it. They're racist. They get called out on it. They go "Just chill bro, it's just a joke".

Then they go on to do it 50 more times.

How many times can someone be racist and claim it's just a joke before people realize they're just racist and too chicken shit to go full mask off? Since it's always right wingers and right adjacent people doing this, you'd really think everyone would have realized by now that they're not joking or playing games.

The fact you said that proves you DON'T get it, try again.

But following your logic, are they a white supremacist insulting black people or a black supremacist insulting white people? Because they were pretending to be both within moments of each or where they schrodinger's bigot being in a superstate of being both a white hating on blacks or a black hating on whites? Which were they?

As I said, if you don't understand the mindset of that person, you won't understand the game you were in here.
@Pannonian actually, I haven't played that game in over 20 years with the closest I have came was when I was on facebook where I would just fact check people to watch them rage when reality conflicted with their fantasies.
@Nastard

Wait, if two different people are playing two different games, each thinking they're winning... how is victory certain for one and not both (or really, neither)? Why do YOU get to determine which game is legit? Hell, by your own logic the person who wins is the one who wastes the least amount of time debating, so isn't the true winner the person who viewed this thread and refused to participate? Where's their trophy? So if we're just arbitrarily declaring game rules here, I declare the new rules for the game to be the person who has the sexiest avatar. Sweet, I win! Second place to Orange Joe.

Anyway, enjoy your time playing Minecraft with your nephew. If he defeats a creeper, be sure to tell him the creeper actually won the game because he forced your nephew to waste time attacking it.

Out of everyone here, you sir actually gave a compelling argument instead of the cop outs the others gave and tried to say someone is both racist against whites and non-whites simultaneously in the real life example I gave.

It's one of those situations where they know the game you are trying to play and they don't care. If you go into it knowing they are playing that game and continue, then have at it just know you aren't going to get any real debate out of them and mainly just litter the thread making it harder to read and get actual information from it as lots of people will not bother wading through all that circular talk just to get to the real information.

Their trophy is the 10+ pages of responses they gave, I remember a while back there was a drive by shit poster named "Healing Rain" he would post a singular inflammatory message that was completely wrong stupid only to see how many responses he could get and he would seem to get a lot, I actually called him out and think I struck a cord when I told him that he gave a really bad attempt because he actually responded that time to say how good he was at it because all the replies he got on it.

With Minecraft, my nephew got bored. I joined his game, he was in creative, I was not, he we was basically god trying to give me tasks and enemies to defeat and he was a vengeful god by what he put against me with just an iron sword, iron axe and no armor or food and getting teleported right back if I died.

[Cthulhu 2020]

The fact you said that proves you DON'T get it, try again.

No, I COMPLETELY get it. These people just put way more stock in their joke of a "game" than anyone else does. That's the thing, I completely understand this game. It's you who doesn't. Just because they think they've won in their own mind doesn't mean jack shit. Nobody is mad or raging at them. They've convinced themselves they've elicited some kind of negative emotional reaction when no such thing happens.

They're playing stupid games for stupid prizes. There's a reason these people also almost exclusively hang out on 4chan: They've been banned pretty much everywhere else.

Again, exhibit A: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...38/025/db0.jpg

This comic has been around on the internet before this troll culture "game" even existed my dude. People have been doing this since before the internet, thinking they're being edgy and smart with ironic humor. Then they find themselves on the fringes of society where nobody takes them seriously.

[Endus]

No, I COMPLETELY get it. These people just put way more stock in their joke of a "game" than anyone else does. That's the thing, I completely understand this game. It's you who doesn't. Just because they think they've won in their own mind doesn't mean jack shit. Nobody is mad or raging at them. They've convinced themselves they've elicited some kind of negative emotional reaction when no such thing happens.

They're playing stupid games for stupid prizes. There's a reason these people also almost exclusively hang out on 4chan: They've been banned pretty much everywhere else.

Again, exhibit A: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...38/025/db0.jpg

This comic has been around on the internet before this troll culture "game" even existed my dude. People have been doing this since before the internet, thinking they're being edgy and smart with ironic humor. Then they find themselves on the fringes of society where nobody takes them seriously.

It's like when kids used to sneak skateboards into the mall so they could brag about being banned from the mall for skateboarding. They're bragging because they "won" by getting banned. And to any other perspective, they were shitheads, and now they aren't allowed to bother people any more. Literally nobody else gives a shit about their "game", because it was never a real game. They're just being tryhard shits, and people telling them to fuck off doesn't mean they "win", it means they get made to fuck off. Which means, by any other perspective, they lose.

Same here. Nobody gives a shit what games Varx was playing. We weren't. And neither Varx nor Fugus get to tell us we were. That anyone's endorsing this childish bullshit as a legitimate form of engagement is absolutely ridiculous. Should I ignore the kid kicking my seat in an airplane, or should I file a complaint with staff and get him kicked off the flight and barred for life? Sure seems like the latter's a win for me and everyone else who flies. If he wants to puff himself up and brag about how he "won" at "being kicked off an airplane", he can go nuts, but he's just deluding himself.

Just like the trolling; there is no gap between "I said stupid shit to get a reaction" and "I'm stupid enough to believe the shit I say", to anyone else. You're not "winning", you're just stupid. The only scoreboard that matters is society's.

[Fugus]

@Cthulhu 2020

I meant in regard to you calling someone a racist when simultaneous pretend to be both a black and white supremacist like it is logically possible to be both at once. Which you tried to do rather than accept the fact that, as Endus just said, they were being a shithead and nothing racist about it from them beyond their attempts to screw with you.

And they think they won their game because that was the game they were playing and got exactly what they hoped for. And both you and me have been here long enough to see people get infraction after infraction and ban after ban because they got mad and/or frustrated at them, to pretend otherwise would be lying.

@Endus your analogy is wrong on this, it wouldn't be the skateboarders bragging about getting banned. No, this is the guys who prank call you from an unlisted or blocked number or the guys in the WoW analogy who got you saved to a cleared raid, they didn't lose anything. Varx didn't lose anything, his account isn't permanently banned so he can come back whenever as his account doesn't even really have much value to him and if it did get a permaban, he can still make another one.

Whether you admit to playing his game or not, you were still an unwilling/unwitting participant in it and in his game, you lost. His reward is watching you guys waste 10 pages on here because you couldn't just let his posts roll off knowing they were just for a reaction.

In his game, he acted stupid to get you to act stupid in return feeding him, that's the part you guys haven't managed to figure out in the decade all of us have been here so you fall for it every time. If I was still in my teens, I would have had a blast here because you are like James Woods in Family Guy with candy, you always fall for it.

And again, where did he get banned from a plane? Where did he get kicked out of a mall? Does MMO-Champion charge for admission? What prevents him from making a new account? He didn't take a loss when you look at it, he got a temporary break before he gets to come back and try again assuming he doesn't have an alt account where he actually tries his serious stuff if not just does more of the same. Where did he take a real loss from this?

Quite literally, he had a ball stringing you along, he gets a break with no real consequences before he gets to come back and do it again.

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Alright, in all seriousness, we can continue this over the next few days if you want or we can drop it till the next time I call you guys out for falling for the same joke again and since I ignore it most of the times you decide to be that gullible, will try and let it slide for a while hoping you guys understand what you are actually playing in when you do it.

[Endus]

Whether you admit to playing his game or not, you were still an unwilling/unwitting participant in it and in his game, you lost.

Nobody cares what "game" he might have been playing.

You keep expecting us to feel shame for "losing" a game we were never playing. It's not ever gonna happen. That's not how anything works.

His reward is watching you guys waste 10 pages on here because you couldn't just let his posts roll off knowing they were just for a reaction.

I don't consider it a "waste". As I said to him directly; the goal was never to convince him to change his mind. That's not the game being played.

In his game, he acted stupid to get you to act stupid in return feeding him

We weren't "acting stupid" in the first place. Whatever his opinion on that doesn't matter. To anyone.

that's the part you guys haven't managed to figure out in the decade all of us have been here so you fall for it every time.

We know the argument. It's just such a silly and baseless argument and puts every conversation into a framework of being for trolling, first and foremost, over and above all other value; if trolls participate, it's all about the trolls and nobody else gets to decide why they're involved.

I fundamentally dispute that such a position is remotely reasonable. It's lunacy. You don't get to decide that shit. Nor does Varx.

And again, where did he get banned from a plane? Where did he get kicked out of a mall?

He's literally banned right now, dude.

[Fugus]

@Endus

Nothing about shaming you, just showing how pointless it is, you aren't correcting him or doing anything that matters because no one believes him, not even himself.

Here is a question, you weren't trying to convince him which is understandable but you also weren't trying to educate anyone else, so what were you trying to do? Because practically speaking you were basically pissing into the wind, which is acting pretty stupid.

He's literally banned right now, dude.

Really? So you are saying he can never return? He can never create an alt account? He has to pay money for another account?

Being temporarily suspended from MMO-Champion isn't the same as being banned from a plane or a mall, not even remotely. If I get banned from here, fine, I just go about my life, can still read it and in a few days to weeks can get back on or, if I really wanted, make an alt account and keep going.

If I am banned from a mall, can I just walk in 2 weeks later? I can't just make an alt account that would require facial reconstructive surgery or at the least a fake ID which is illegal and unlike MMO-Champion's forums that does potentially impair my actual life if I want to shop there.

If I am banned from a plane, can I just walk in shortly later? No, same deal as the mall.

If you get banned from a plane or a mall, that is a big deal, getting banned from an online site that is temporary, does not impact your life outside of it and you are able to evade with alts that is a minor inconvenience to anyone unless they are mentally depended on this place and their screen name. This is a free to use forum, not Amazon.

[Orange Joe]

As Nastard said, his goal wasn't to debate you, if he was trying to engage in something that intellectual, then he would be considered to have failed. But that was never his intent, his intent was to get you guys worked up and wasting time and energy engaging him and watching how frustrated you would get doing it.

The only way to win his game is to not play. He didn't care if you were right or he was wrong, your reactions and engagement is what he was going for and he got it. When I called him out on it, even he admitted that if you guys stopped responding to him he would have likely moved on.

Every time you responded to him, he won, you lost. For the 10 pages you guys kept responding to him that was 10 pages of him kicking your butts. When you guys stopped responding to me when I called you out for it, THAT is how you guys need to react to him and others like him.

And am I suggesting we ignore people who say stupid shit? Depends, are they saying stupid shit to engage in an actual debate or are they intentionally saying stupid shit to get a reaction from you?

If they are trying to engage in a real debate and question, by all means respond, debate, and educate.
If they are just trying to get a reaction and interaction from you, ignore and move on, they will get bored and move only pretty quickly when they aren't getting the attention they crave.

As far as his time, who knows what his time is like in real life? Could be someone stuck working a lot of "On Call" positions, could be retired and bored, could be mentally stunted and in the mindset of a child or quite literally just be a child who's parents "Home School" them using a website and no oversight of them.



He won when you kept engaging him and watching how you would respond to him and get frustrated at him. He didn't care if you were right, he cared that he got reactions from you guys and got under your skins and responded to him, THAT was his game.

This is a situation where you can't look at it from the perspective of a good faith debate, this is the mindset of someone bored and just having fun pissing people off, when you see his posts with that mindset, you understand what he did and what you fell for.

Kinda like Bart's repeated pranks on Moe's Tavern in the Simpsons if Bart had stayed on the phone and kept it going.

you assume that statement is true and not that we were having some fun of our own

You assume we are frustrated, I can say I am/was not.

[Fugus]

you assume that statement is true and not that we were having some fun of our own

You assume we are frustrated, I can say I am/was not.

Congrats, so you admit you are attempting to troll me?

As far as me being frustrated, not really, honestly just really bored right now. Wanting to sleep but have to wait a little bit longer.

[Orange Joe]

So you are saying that you guys don't care that you guys are paying played for fools in his eyes and many others feeding into a pointless back and forth where they don't care about the merits of the conversation at all but just to get a response from you?

It isn't a case of it just being him who thinks he won, to anyone who sees the game he is playing, he won. You maybe have won the game you think you are playing with him, but that isn't the game he is playing at all.

But, if the logic boils down to.
1) I don't care if he won his game, I wasn't playing.
2) I won my game even if he wasn't playing it.

Just seems like a really bad take and just a consolation prize when he never intended to play your game and he drug you into his game whether you admitted it or not. But up to you guys.

Just expect him to come back in the future after his time out is up and he will continue his game and he will continue to win in it against you because you refuse to stop playing. But that's on you guys.

If I did I wouldn't be posting here......

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Congrats, so you admit you are attempting to troll me?

As far as me being frustrated, not really, honestly just really bored right now. Wanting to sleep but have to wait a little bit longer.

um I didn't accuse you of anything? and troll you how?

[Fugus]

If I did I wouldn't be posting here......

So be it, if you really don't mind playing into the game he is doing, so be it. It's like a crowd enjoying a heckler but it happens.

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um I didn't accuse you of anything? and troll you how?

Oops, my bad. I misread that, I apologize. Point taken though if you enjoy replying to him as well.


Edit: After a misreading like that, I think I need to go ahead and call it a night. I misread that reply entirely. Will call it a night.

Later man and have a good one.

[Radux]

Move on.
Please and thank you.