SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[Edge-]

Now we have another body that's just as human as she is.

Really? Rip that little sucker outta there and send it on its way then. I'm sure it'll find gainful employment and housing.

[Xyonai]

Never said it was the majority.

Of course pro choice is the majority.

Abortion is what's easy. Choosing life and raising your child is hard. Most humans are selfish and self centered so yeah obviously it's going to be more popular. Particularly with young people

To point:

Abortion is not an easy decision, and I don't know a single woman who's had the procedure who did so because they simply didn't want to 'deal with' a kid.

The same people trying to criminalize abortion are also making it impossible to afford to raise children. I know you claim that you're not that cruel, but hardly anyone else in your camp sees an issue with forcing women to carry medically nonviable pregnancies (which can lead to greater health complications to the mother, if not outright kill her in the case of septic fetuses) or simply making it more difficult to actually raise kids for people who -do- want them. It's a poverty bomb waiting to happen.

Also blaming 'the youngs' for being lazy is such a tired boomer/GenX argument I wanted to just sail passed it but JFC my dude. What are you, fifty?

[Varx]

How you can say something this daft while also arguing about rape is looney tunes. Skip the clown makeup today because you are the whole circus brother.

Again, most abortions are for convinence.

And rape I agree is a valid exception.

[Xyonai]

Really? Rip that little sucker outta there and send it on its way then. I'm sure it'll find gainful employment and housing.

Should I cart out the organ transplant bodily autonomy argument again or do we not want another six page derail?

[Endus]

Listen man a woman can fuck up her body any way she sees fit. She can get tattoos, do drugs, drink, have sex with thousands of people.

That you think those "fuck up her body" and are bad is, again, literally religious extremism.

But pregnancy isn't just her body. Now we have another body that's just as human as she is. But you fail to recognize this since to you it's "just a clump of cells"

I've repeatedly and openly stated I'm perfectly willing to argue on the basis that the fetus is a human being*, because none of that matters in the least in the question being asked, about abortion rights.

Bodily autonomy trumps right to life in every case. Literally every single one. To enough of a degree we won't breach the bodily autonomy of a dead person to save a life. You're the one who has to convince all of us that there's a reason to change that principle. And you haven't even tried.

*it isn't, definitively. Allowing for the sake of argument is not an admission of anything.

Abortion is not about freedom it's about convenience and avoiding accountability

That's a slanderous and malicious lie. It really is just hatred of women, for you, isn't it?

[Varx]

This same argument carries over to cancer, you fucking dolt.

Lol, what?

[Elegiac]

Because it's the truth.

Most abortions are from selfish convenience, not rape. It's sickening

Choosing to have an abortion because you cannot care for a potential child and do not want to subject it to the foster care system is not "selfish convenience".

And again; exactly what is your process for ensuring rape victims can access abortion in a timely fashion?

[Darththeo]

Most abortions are from selfish convenience, not rape. It's sickening

Nope, think a little harder and actually talk to people who disagree with.

[Varx]

That you think those "fuck up her body" and are bad is, again, literally religious extremism.



I've repeatedly and openly stated I'm perfectly willing to argue on the basis that the fetus is a human being*, because none of that matters in the least in the question being asked, about abortion rights.

Bodily autonomy trumps right to life in every case. Literally every single one. To enough of a degree we won't breach the bodily autonomy of a dead person to save a life. You're the one who has to convince all of us that there's a reason to change that principle. And you haven't even tried.

*it isn't, definitively. Allowing for the sake of argument is not an admission of anything.



That's a slanderous and malicious lie. It really is just hatred of women, for you, isn't it?

It doesn't trump in the case of pregnancy since pregnancy is a very very special relationship between mother and child that unfortunately modern women have been brainwashed to reject

[Endus]

And rape I agree is a valid exception.

So which of these is true;

A> You think a child of rape can just be straight-up killed by anyone, anywhere, at any point in their lives, and that's perfectly okay and not a crime, or
B> You're lying when you think a fetus is a human person from birth.

One of those two things must be true if you agree that there should be exceptions for rape. I'll let you pick.

[Varx]

Nope, think a little harder and actually talk to people who disagree with.

Look it up then...

[Elegiac]

It doesn't trump in the case of pregnancy since pregnancy is a very very special relationship between mother and child that unfortunately modern women have been brainwashed to reject

I.e. one that cannot be quantified scientifically or explained rationally and therefore doesn't bear mentioning in this discussion because it's basically religious in nature.

Sure, Jan.

[Endus]

It doesn't trump in the case of pregnancy since pregnancy is a very very special relationship between mother and child that unfortunately modern women have been brainwashed to reject

Special pleading. Discarded immediately for utter lack of any merit whatsoever. You need to justify that exception if you want anyone to agree with it. Until you do, you're just making up malicious shit to attack women.

Also, pregnancy is wildly not "special". Every human female who's carried on her genome for the last 200,000 plus years, literally billions of women, have gotten pregnant. It's not "special" in any way whatsoever. Hell, given that you can have multiple pregnancies, it's arguably less special than, say, puberty. Or menopause.

[Varx]

So which of these is true;

A> You think a child of rape can just be straight-up killed by anyone, anywhere, at any point in their lives, and that's perfectly okay and not a crime, or
B> You're lying when you think a fetus is a human person from birth.

One of those two things must be true if you agree that there should be exceptions for rape. I'll let you pick.

Christ...

OBVIOUSLY, after a certain point in gestation a child conceived of rape shouldn't be aborted. Fucking A, more hand holding

[Darththeo]

It doesn't trump in the case of pregnancy since pregnancy is a very very special relationship between mother and child that unfortunately modern women have been brainwashed to reject

Or maybe, you have been brainwashed into thinking it is special.

Here, since you like youtube videos so much: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-bLf4F0PM4

[Elegiac]

Christ...

OBVIOUSLY, after a certain point in gestation a child conceived of rape shouldn't be aborted. Fucking A, more hand holding

Sis, we're still waiting on your proposed method of ensuring how rape victims can obtain an abortion before this cutoff.

[Varx]

The worst part of this, is that you aren't wrong on that it is a very special relationship between the mother and the (insert stage of development of that which grows inside of her), yet absolutely, with 0 rational, emotional or intellectual rigour, also tout that "abortion is an easy out". You legitimately are so beyond clueless that it's physically painful.

Um because it is...

"Omg I'm. Not ready to care for this human being I created after engaging in sex which I knew could potentially result in this. Oh wait I can just suck it out of my body and then go have a cupcake"

Instead of

"You know what, I had sex now I'm pregnant with my baby, I'm going to woman up and raise this child for the next 18 years of my life"

[Edge-]

Again, most abortions are for convinence.

And rape I agree is a valid exception.

Rape babies aren't real human beings, apparently.

[Varx]

Sis, we're still waiting on your proposed method of ensuring how rape victims can obtain an abortion before this cutoff.

Um idk, report it after the fact? Get a rape kit.

[Endus]

Christ...

OBVIOUSLY, after a certain point in gestation a child conceived of rape shouldn't be aborted. Fucking A, more hand holding

But if you're insisting that it's a human life from conception, and you can end that life because it was conceived in rape, why would there be a "certain point" beyond which the argument doesn't apply? You've literally just argued you can end that human life without consequence. Your argument, here.

I'm just holding you to your stated principles. The inconsistencies are your problem to deal with. Yes, the result is monstrous. That's your argument. Don't blame me that it's monstrous.