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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekh View Post
    If you need an explanation for "if you only allow abortion, when the woman's life is in danger, women's lives will be endangered before they can get a life-saving abortion", you're even more retarted than we all thought. Same goes for "rapes are under-reported, because revisiting the ordeal is traumatizing. Demanding proof of rape for an abortion will be traumatizing to women."
    Then I'll direct you to the last sentence of my previous post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mekh View Post
    Nah, letting them pick the terms of engagement means they show up at the time of their choosing to sea-lion their carefully 4chan-brewed talking points and then disappear again, while putting them on the spot gives beautifully stupid shit to laugh at, like here.
    People both act like they deeply want comment, and then simultaneously act like contrary opinions are the last thing they need.

    I repeat, they act like merely holding a contrary opinion is sufficient to justify accusations of bad-faith.

    Or maybe what they actually need is more people accusing themselves (and yourself) of merely trumpeting propaganda, and bad-faith arguments, and trolling until (gasp) they realize how wearying such incessant comments are. This forum could do with four or five more right-wingers or right-of-center (American context) posters to make as frequent accusations of bad-faith trolling as are directed at themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    Then I'll direct you to the last sentence of my previous post.

    People both act like they deeply want comment, and then simultaneously act like contrary opinions are the last thing they need.

    I repeat, they act like merely holding a contrary opinion is sufficient to justify accusations of bad-faith.

    Or maybe what they actually need is more people accusing themselves (and yourself) of merely trumpeting propaganda, and bad-faith arguments, and trolling until (gasp) they realize how wearying such incessant comments are. This forum could do with four or five more right-wingers or right-of-center (American context) posters to make as frequent accusations of bad-faith trolling as are directed at themselves.
    We really don’t need more trash cluttering this place up thanks.

    Because that’s all your being here: lies, half truths, changed definitions, and trash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    People both act like they deeply want comment, and then simultaneously act like contrary opinions are the last thing they need.
    Nobody actually cares what you have to say, that is correct. The only worth the words you type have, is to make you and yours look bad. Since you're not going to leave and the mods aren't going to remove your trolling ass, we might as well just turn you into the US-themed dribbles as a warning to everyone in the audience at risk of falling down your rabbit hole.
    “There you stand, the good man doing nothing. And while evil triumphs, and your rigid pacifism crumbles to blood stained dust, the only victory afforded to you is that you stuck true to your guns.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekh View Post
    Nobody actually cares what you have to say, that is correct. The only worth the words you type have, is to make you and yours look bad. Since you're not going to leave and the mods aren't going to remove your trolling ass, we might as well just turn you into the US-themed dribbles as a warning to everyone in the audience at risk of falling down your rabbit hole.
    Fuckin a Cotton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    Fuckin a Cotton.
    Dude's about two months from going full Nick Fuentes anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    People both act like they deeply want comment, and then simultaneously act like contrary opinions are the last thing they need.

    I repeat, they act like merely holding a contrary opinion is sufficient to justify accusations of bad-faith.

    Or maybe what they actually need is more people accusing themselves (and yourself) of merely trumpeting propaganda, and bad-faith arguments, and trolling until (gasp) they realize how wearying such incessant comments are. This forum could do with four or five more right-wingers or right-of-center (American context) posters to make as frequent accusations of bad-faith trolling as are directed at themselves.
    We'd love to see good-faith, responsible, and objectively justifiable arguments. The problem is that right-wingers insist on presenting only arguments rooted in petty, abusive bigotries, and with a goal of inflicting suffering and hardship on innocents, and demanding consideration despite those factual and ethical failures out the gate.

    You want your arguments to be given due consideration and respect? Make arguments that deserve it, because you and the rest sure the fuck haven't been.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekh View Post
    Nobody actually cares what you have to say, that is correct. The only worth the words you type have, is to make you and yours look bad. Since you're not going to leave and the mods aren't going to remove your trolling ass, we might as well just turn you into the US-themed dribbles as a warning to everyone in the audience at risk of falling down your rabbit hole.
    Then that's the trouble. I believe what I say and try to compliment the posters here by believing the same to be true of them, allowing for sarcasm and some trolling like the elephant fetus in this very thread. You are unwilling or unable to do the same. So much the worse!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    Then that's the trouble. I believe what I say and try to compliment the posters here by believing the same to be true of them, allowing for sarcasm and some trolling like the elephant fetus in this very thread. You are unwilling or unable to do the same. So much the worse!
    When you push for things like the denial of basic self-ownership to women based on nothing but some combination of personal misogyny and/or religious fascism, yes, we're going to be unwilling to be complimentary, because the positions you're arguing for are ethically and morally monstrous.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekh View Post
    Nah, letting them pick the terms of engagement means they show up at the time of their choosing to sea-lion their carefully 4chan-brewed talking points and then disappear again, while putting them on the spot gives beautifully stupid shit to laugh at, like here.
    "Nah", nobody outside this tiny microcosm on a subforum of a gaming forum even knows this troll exists or would even care if they did. Nobody is reading this forum to shape their opinions on politics. There are two types of people who come here: those who want to actively discuss what's going on and those who just want to shitpost their, as you call it, 4chan-brewed talking points. Neither are going to change their point of view, and engaging with trolls just gives them more to springboard off of. At least if nobody responded to them they'd probably be tagged for spamming eventually--because fuck knows "trolling/sealioning" doesn't appear to be an infractable offense here no matter how blindingly obvious it is.

    "But if nobody refutes their lies random-ass people will come read it and think it's true!" is a fucking stupid argument I see repeated here constantly and it's just as bullshit now as it ever was. See above; nobody is coming to this tiny speck of the internet looking for political truths. EVERYONE here knows who they are and what they are and the smarter among us already has them all on ignore. Little Timmy isn't going to do a Google search on RvW, come to THIS thread and think that the comments from the obviously developmentally challenged are the ones to immediately latch onto--or in the worst case scenario that they did, they were absolutely the type who was going to come to those conclusions anyway.

    "It's fun to make them look like the fools they are!" is another one I see ad nauseum. Counter-trolling is still just trolling, although even the best and brightest here fall prey to that on a near-daily basis. They don't need any help to be revealed as the dipshit assclowns they are. It's evident in practically everything they post. Proving their ignorance doesn't hurt their feelings any, because they're too fucking stupid to get that they're the joke anyway. Plenty of ways to get your lols laughing at the political reprobates in the GOP without giving F-Tier forum trolls another chance to respond. Especially when you know they'll just ignore everything you wrote anyway to post the same falsified bunch of Youtube dung they fling on a daily basis--when their favorite propagandist of choice gives them their opinions, at least.

    At any rate, I'm more likely to be slapped for posting Off-Topic than they are to actually get the bans they deserve so I'll make this the last I post on it. Calling trolls in to threads they're not already actively participating in isn't the way, though. Just means it's another thread that doesn't have any useful, insightful or informative discussion for a dozen pages.

  10. #5990
    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    Then that's the trouble. I believe what I say.
    I'd have more respect if you were bad faith and also admitted as much, because arguing bad points in good faith just makes you look like a complete idiot. Bad faith at least implies some degree of cleverness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekh View Post
    I'd have more respect if you were bad faith and also admitted as much, because arguing bad points in good faith just makes you look like a complete idiot. Bad faith at least implies some degree of cleverness.
    You're digging your own grave here.

    Tag me to invite comment link
    Declare it was only an exercise to avoid "4chan-brewed talking points" link
    And when called about it, declare "Nobody actually cares what you have to say, that is correct." link

    If you want an example of bad-faith questioning and trolling, look in the mirror. I'm obliging you with a comment regarding abortion legislation, and you're stating for the record that this is a side exercise involving your beliefs on talking points, and you don't care what I have to say.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Counter-trolling is still just trolling, although even the best and brightest here fall prey to that on a near-daily basis.
    You're right in the sense that "You're trolling tehdang, even if you try to defend yourself as only counter-trolling."

    When sincerity is mistaken, or maybe consciously mislabeled, as trolling, there is no virtue in becoming a troll to do something like "expose" him/her. You're falling into a deeply self-serving and echo-chamber trap.

    So you don't think someone else holds their positions honestly, or they aren't sharing their sincere reasons for believing them. Congratulations, millions of people before you for thousands of years have thought the same thing. Are you going to ignore their political positions, and hope to find whatever country you're in thinks as you do? That's a common political response. Are you going to mock and jeer and make sarcastic riffs at them, in hopes of exposing the logical inconsistencies to the forum? Then you're engaging in behavior that will get you labeled a troll. You can't sincerely seek discussion (in this case, by username tagging) and also sincerely state that you desired nothing like discussion later.

    I don't support 6-week bans + exceptions in the America we live in today, and my other interests aren't aroused by legislation seeking that end. I'm not going to dive into the abortion thread to look up such thrilling discussion like quoting a Planned Parenthood spokeswoman arguing the death penalty is implicated with cries of "So Pro-Life they'll kill you." rising from the crowd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdang View Post
    You're digging your own grave here.

    Tag me to invite comment link
    Declare it was only an exercise to avoid "4chan-brewed talking points" link
    And when called about it, declare "Nobody actually cares what you have to say, that is correct." link
    No contradiction here. I summoned you like the little pissgoblin you are, you had nothing of value to say and we confirmed for everyone again that this is what you stand for, which is why anything you write can be instantly discarded. I mean, I certainly -do- have questions, like why you would hitch your wagon to such a despicable ideology, but I expect your story to be as boring as that of Cizr, Thwart, Connal and every other fascist that has risen and fallen on this forum.

    EDIT: and before you try and weasel out of it: It is what you stand for, because as you said: you're certainly not gonna bother and check out the thread to denounce legislation brought on by your party.
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    This is interesting. How are these people getting elected? Unless it is another joke proposition. It does have the support of 21 South Carolina legislators.

    South Carolina Prenatal Equal Protection Act of 2023

    The bill would confer personhood on a zygote. Basically, a fertilized egg at the point of conception. It would subject a woman having an abortion in South Carolina to a charge of homicide. Which under SC laws may be subject to the death sentence by electrocution, by firing squad or lethal injection. I guess the convicted person get to choose one of the three.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    The bill would confer personhood on a zygote. Basically, a fertilized egg at the point of conception. It would subject a woman having an abortion in South Carolina to a charge of homicide. Which under SC laws may be subject to the death sentence by electrocution, by firing squad or lethal injection. I guess the convicted person get to choose one of the three.
    Is that it?

    What if the pregnant person smokes or drinks alcohol? Is that assault/abuse? How about if either of those things results in a stillbirth? Is that murder? If they don't wear their seatbelt and get in an accident that causes the pregnancy to be terminated, are they liable for involuntary manslaughter/vehicular manslaughter? Can pregnant people at any stage of pregnancy drive in carpool lanes legally? Do they need to pay for two tickets to the movie theater?

    This opens a host of legal questions throughout every aspect of daily life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Is that it?

    What if the pregnant person smokes or drinks alcohol? Is that assault/abuse? How about if either of those things results in a stillbirth? Is that murder? If they don't wear their seatbelt and get in an accident that causes the pregnancy to be terminated, are they liable for involuntary manslaughter/vehicular manslaughter? Can pregnant people at any stage of pregnancy drive in carpool lanes legally? Do they need to pay for two tickets to the movie theater?

    This opens a host of legal questions throughout every aspect of daily life.
    Section 16-3-760. (A) As used in this article, "fertilization" means the fusion of a human spermatozoon with a human ovum.

    (B) As used in this article, "person" includes an unborn child at every stage of development from fertilization until birth.

    Section 16-3-761. Where the victim is an unborn child and the defendant is the child's mother, it is a defense to prosecution under this article that the mother engaged in the proscribed conduct because she was compelled to do so by the threat of imminent death or great bodily injury.

    Section 16-3-762. In a prosecution under this article where the victim is an unborn child, unless specifically provided otherwise:

    (1) enforcement is subject to the same presumptions, defenses, justifications, laws of parties, immunities, and clemencies as would apply to the assault of a person who had been born alive;

    (2) solicitors and the Attorney General shall have concurrent authority to prosecute criminal cases and to perform any duty that necessarily relates to such prosecution; and

    (3) this article prevails over other law to the extent of any conflict.
    The whole thing is crazy. Like I said, how did these people get elected in the first place?

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    Man, they really seem to hate clearly defined laws, at least as long as having loosely defined laws works in their interest.

    If this passes there's likely going to be a lot of case-law that needs to be built around this so people can figure out just how much of a "person" that little clump of cells is. Will someone need to pay for a second metro card to ride the train, or would that be fare hopping for the passenger?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Man, they really seem to hate clearly defined laws, at least as long as having loosely defined laws works in their interest.

    If this passes there's likely going to be a lot of case-law that needs to be built around this so people can figure out just how much of a "person" that little clump of cells is. Will someone need to pay for a second metro card to ride the train, or would that be fare hopping for the passenger?
    Normally, vague laws wind up losing in court, yeah? Just too many people are scared to fight these...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Will someone need to pay for a second metro card to ride the train, or would that be fare hopping for the passenger?
    Women better be ready to be asked if they are pregnant every time they buy a ticket for themselves. Can't have them cheap out on a second fare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    Women better be ready to be asked if they are pregnant every time they buy a ticket for themselves. Can't have them cheap out on a second fare.
    Will be interesting seeing signs with admission prices having to put on it that fetuses get in free.
    Since we can't call out Trolls and Bad Faith posters and the Ignore function doesn't actually ignore it. Add
    "mmo-champion.com##li.postbitignored"
    to your ublock or adblock filter to actually ignore ignored posters. Now just need a way to ignore responses to them as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    Women better be ready to be asked if they are pregnant every time they buy a ticket for themselves. Can't have them cheap out on a second fare.
    That's a fair point: If they're unaware they are pregnant and say, only pay for one fare on the train, can the train company come after them to collect the second fare after they find out they're now carrying a passenger, themselves?

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