My problem with WoW, and now I see it more clearly since I have gotten off the copium high, is that this is a vicious cycle that Blizzard does at every end of the expansion; Once a expansion gets to the end they "Fix" all the issues and problems of the current expansion, but once a new expansion releases they repeat all the shit and issues all over again. Playing this game for 17 years, I love wow, but the current state of the game is very very disappointing. The devs don't give a shit, lawsuits all the place in Blizzard. It is just a circus shit show at this point and the game seems to be thrown together just to pull in the homeless gamers off the streets.
I told myself I wouldn't preorder the new expansion. I would like to see if Blizzard "Fixes" their issues and since they are trying to portray that they are listening to customers and the players base, I need to know if it is all bullshit. So I am going to wait about 3 or 4 months after the release to see if the issues are fixed before I even throw Blizzard any money. As of May 18th 2021, I have been playing FFXIV and loving it and NOT playing WoW. but for now I will be watching Blizzard from the sidelines to see how they treat the gamers.
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Do they, though?
I think you don't give them enough credit. They're not pursuing the purity of artistic expression here. They're crafting a PRODUCT. They have rules to follow and goals to achieve. They aren't just writing formulaic episodes of bullshit for the sheer beauty of it, they're doing it because their bosses think that's what'll keep sales up and subs going.
I'm not saying they're all Shakespeares in financial chains, but I don't think they're all idiots who are oblivious to their own shortcomings. Incompetence isn't to blame here as much as corporatism is.
That being said, I'm sure there's something somewhere that DOES suffer from some kind of misperception about the story/lore. It's not entirely clear to me where exactly that element resides. But I'd wager it's not the poor writers who get to execute the vision - it'd be closer to the source of that vision. Is it all Afrasiabi's fault, or Danuser's? Maybe? It's hard to say without more info, and there's lots of opacity surrounding the creative process.
Well you could technically say that for Legion, BFA and Shadowlands we've been empowered by Artifact Weapons, the Hearth of Azeroth and Covenants and that without those things our own prowess would be limited. Personally I have no issues with our characters going on an exploration mission again, looking forward to it.
Dristereau - Axxolentus - Infernus - Sequentia - Nulo - Desterrar
Silvermoon - Shadowsong/Aszune - Tarren-Mill/Dentarg (SL Mage Tower: 29/36)
So many people that seem to not know the diffrence betwen Lore and story.
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Doesn't bother me at all... I rather enjoy watching a bunch of crybabies complain about a job someone else is doing. a job they all say they could do better, then offer no proof. no solutions and just more and more rants and whines.....keep'em coming....
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nor should they. I'm sure anything produced would be rubbish at best anyway. I enjoy reading from all of the "experts" in lore in here. "expert" writers and coders. "experts" who claim they can do it better or at least know a better way to di it, without actually being helpful. keep it up.....
Every character I cared about even remotely died then double died in shadow lands...
The writing team can't hurt them anymore. The new dull 2 dimensional lifeless puppets I simply dont care about.
Hell its become a comedy to me. I cant wait till the sylvanas story line continues. I'm sure she will kill a raid boss that would destroy azeroth as her boy toy ( who she found and she loves deeply) tell us we were always his favorite and that hes proud of us.
As I posted elsewhere
I myself am in complete agreement with those that say the lore is trash and I would heartily volunteer my time...6 figure salary, full benefits pkg..*cough* and rewrite the lore that would be coherent, consistent and clear. Of course if I was given the task of making the races fit into the classes, I can see some exceptions that might be more accurately said to be multi-classed.
A lot of people complain about the lore but I've always liked it. It's not the greatest, never has been, but few are the stories that can pretend to build a great lore and most of wow expansions have good to great lore.
What you really want to complain about is the storytelling, the narrative tools used, etc.
Because if anything, TBC has great lore and built some very cohesive stories at the price of a couple of retcon (unfortunately). Shadowlands has an awesome lore as well, and in comparison Cataclysm has a very weak lore.
But both TBC and Shadowlands have atrocious storytelling. TBC only moves forwards by killing off its antagonists who used to be fan favourite protagonists in WC3. Shadowlands moves forward by having an unstoppable godlike creature keep everyone in the dark about its motives while all its interesting backstory is barely told to us or told too late.
But if this is what bothered you then what the hell are you still doing playing this game, you shouldn't expect much more unfortunately. WotLK had an even worst storytelling than this. Cataclysm was a big failure of story telling, MoP did a whole patch focused on Voljin rebellion but forgot to include any story beat... WoD introduced every character present in its last raid after you killed them all, Legion is very decent but the story itself isn't that great (The Medhiv cameo is the definituon of frustrating), BfA is all over the place so I won't bother.
I'm all good with it because I don't expect much more than what they've been able to deliver until now. And what really drives me is the lore of their world, discovering these places that hold stories and myths. And on that they almost always deliver and clearly have for Shadowlands. I can only recommend you to give it another try if you didn't enjoy it the first time. Take your time, check the achievements and covenants and explore the hell out of every zones, chat with every npcs you encounter, they have so many things to tell.