Oh Blizzard, how you have fallen (Diablo Immortal).

[Cthulhu 2020]

This is unironically a very good idea.

Not just "indie" but even just branching out a little. So many people here speak as if Blizzard is the only place in the world they can get their games and it's weird. Like 60% of this entire thread is predicated on the belief that there's just nowhere else to go, or that Blizz somehow controls everything else.

People loved Blizzard for a long time. For the late 90's, 2000's, and early 2010's, Blizzard was a mark of quality. People still want to like Blizzard, and they are trying, but they are finding it hard to reconcile. With the decline and en-shittening of WoW, massive amounts of monetization, loot boxes in other games, lies, bait and switches, employee molestation, people are finding it harder and harder to reconcile the admiration they once had.

It's not so easy to just "let go" when Blizzard was a trusted name in our hearts for 20 years, those of us who played since Warcraft Orcs and Humans. But it's becoming more and more clear that it's time to move on. Blizzard no longer makes games for gamers. They make games for about 1% casual dads with lots of disposable income and 99% "bUt It'S a FrEe GaMe" andies.

After all, as a gamer I prefer games, not slot machines with good graphics. Well, not a slot machine. At least with a slot machine you can potentially get some money back. D:I is just a bonfire for your money.



I have been playing a lot of indie games lately, but the sad part is that usually the best indie titles, while fun, lack that triple A polish. What if someone of us just want a fun triple A polished game WITHOUT the gross monetization being shoved down our throats?

[Popastique]

"PROOF, PROOF, PROOF!!!!! ONLY ACCEPTING OFFICIAL BLIZZARD NUMBERS!"

One only needs to look at the masses of "quitting" posts from reddit and twitter, as well as interest dwindling on google trends. It's like New World too. People hit the exp wall, or the gear wall (yes, there is a gear wall) and get bored and quit. The only thing to do at end game is endlessly grind rifts. And once you have your 4 set you can't even get your 6 set bonus until 2 months later at paragon 150. As a free player, there is nothing to do once you complete the main game. There is no retention device for free players, at least not good retention devices. Sorry, paragon levels just don't do it for most people.

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Also it appears that D:I has the "New World" problem where you can mass report someone to get them banned and when you try to recover your account due to fraudulent reporting, you get an automated message that may as well say "fuck you".

https://www.reddit.com/r/DiabloImmor...omated_system/







Every time you hear bad news about Diablo Immortal, you think they've hit rock bottom. And then you find out it goes even lower.

Well yeah, proof needed. Some posts on reddit and twitter do not depict the whole picture. And i repeat - not necessarily numbers from Blizzard, but data from mobile stores if that is possible - can be of help. Take a look at the appstore score for example - it shows that game is well received. Is it fabricated, or not? I do not know, but unless someone provides actual data on amount of people playing - saying that DI is dying out is just laughable.

That's support system question, works like that in WoW as well. Get mass reported - get your chat banned or smthing, write a ticket or get in touch with Blizz and you undo it.

P.S. No screenshots of talking to support or said ticket getting such poor answer. Press X to doubt

[Mysterymask]

The more I look at this thread the more I feel them releasing this on PC was probably a mistake

If this stayed mobile only half of you wouldn't even look at it and pass it off as some shitty mobile game who cares but the PC release caused half of y'all to think initially "oh this is a real game" then rage at mobile game being a mobile game

[Th3Scourge]

Also, I don't mind spending money for entertainment within reason. I don't understand people who are being pinch penny over having some fun for themselves.

I popped a chill 100 bucks into D:I and I am going to dump it - don't mind one bit. Had a week of fun there, so got my money's worth in my book, even given the sour aftertaste from seeing Blizzard, on which games I grew up, at their worst.

I think a better question is "How much would I pay for this game at a store?"

When I think of what I paid for D2/LOD 21 years ago and got decades of entertainment without spending a cent more, popping $100 on D:I for scammy crests/loot boxes with extra steps doesn't represent any value at all

I'd probably pay $20-$40 for a full version of DI without P2W MTX but having a model where you have to pay every other play session makes me feel like I'm the product

[Cthulhu 2020]

Well yeah, proof needed. Some posts on reddit and twitter do not depict the whole picture.

Give zero fucks if you believe me or not. It's happening. There are massive content walls, and that's a big quit moment for a ton of people. (Credit if you know what a 'quit moment' is as Josh Strife Hayes defines it)

P.S. No screenshots of talking to support or said ticket getting such poor answer. Press X to doubt

This one wasn't even the first thread on this issue. There have been at least two others I've seen when browsing the subreddit over the last two days. Lots of people are mass reporting high paragon level peeps for botting and getting them 15 day bans. Again, you don't have to believe it. You seem intent on not believing anything.

[Ghost of Cow]

(Credit if you know what a 'quit moment' is as Josh Strife Hayes defines it)

I'm just imagining someone unironically saying this. Maybe holding a teacup with their pinky out or something.

[SinR]

Diablo Immortal, Coming soon to your Smart Fridge.

Source: Trust me Bro

[Jerot]

So many people here speak as if Blizzard is the only place in the world they can get their games and it's weird. Like 60% of this entire thread is predicated on the belief that there's just nowhere else to go, or that Blizz somehow controls everything else.

Are you surprised people on a largely Blizzard games-centric forum are only talking about Blizzard games?

And that people in a diablo thread aren't just playing or talking about other games instead of diablo? It's almost like we have critiques that are specific to this game, and the state of other games is mostly irrelevant to that discussion.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I'm just imagining someone unironically saying this. Maybe holding a teacup with their pinky out or something.

Are you trying to imply that games don't have moments where a lot of people quit once they reach that point?

I know basically everyone who tries to engage with me on subjects doesn't believe that human psychology is something we can track and measure, but this site truly has given me some gems. Whether their posts are disingenuous and they're just dragging me along for a laugh, or if they're actually being serious, I can't help but chuckle at some of the outrageous things people say, infer, or imply.

[Popastique]

Give zero fucks if you believe me or not. It's happening. There are massive content walls, and that's a big quit moment for a ton of people. (Credit if you know what a 'quit moment' is as Josh Strife Hayes defines it)




This one wasn't even the first thread on this issue. There have been at least two others I've seen when browsing the subreddit over the last two days. Lots of people are mass reporting high paragon level peeps for botting and getting them 15 day bans. Again, you don't have to believe it. You seem intent on not believing anything.

Believing something in 2022 on the Internet without anything backing up those words or claims? Of course not
People will make shit up, especially when this DI stuff is trending, just to get some attention. People love attention, most of them

And what are these content walls you are speaking of? This is the first time i've heard smthing like that, got me intrigued.

[Edge-]

Welp, hit Paragon and I'm done. The game is far too aggressively monetized at that point and it really kills any motivation to start on proper "gear" (gem) progression.

Shame, there's a wonderful mobile game, and pretty good game overall, buried beneath the layers of gross, exploitative monetization.

[RobertoCarlos]

"wonderful game" it's literally a lesser version of diablo 3 which is what nearly 10 years old now?

[GratsDing45]

"wonderful game" it's literally a lesser version of diablo 3 which is what nearly 10 years old now?

It’s a f2p mobile game. Of course it’s going to be A lesser version of D3.

[crusadernero]

"wonderful game" it's literally a lesser version of diablo 3 which is what nearly 10 years old now?

Its a mobile game. Its never going to compete with proper PC games. Why they ported it? Probably to reach every audience or something. It is what it is - a soulless husk of a game that is made to milk money out of people.

I would bet Blizzard would have gotten alot less flack about this game if they only went mobile with this game.

[Elim Garak]

Its a mobile game. Its never going to compete with proper PC games. Why they ported it? Probably to reach every audience or something. It is what it is - a soulless husk of a game that is made to milk money out of people.

Probably because Blizzcon folks didn't like a mobile only Diablo. There's no pleasing the crowd

[Hctaz]

Welp, hit Paragon and I'm done. The game is far too aggressively monetized at that point and it really kills any motivation to start on proper "gear" (gem) progression.

Shame, there's a wonderful mobile game, and pretty good game overall, buried beneath the layers of gross, exploitative monetization.

Thank youuuuuuuuu!!! LOL

I feel like we need more testimonies like this one. A lot of people come to the conclusion that it isn't aggressively monetized because they're level 30 and haven't felt targeted.

I completely understand that not every person is going to play the game until level 60 and then keep playing end game, but that's the kind of content that Diablo has been known for. You finish the game in order to start grinding the game, and Immortal has locked much of that end game progression behind aggressive paywalls.

[crusadernero]

Probably because Blizzcon folks didn't like a mobile only Diablo. There's no pleasing the crowd

That makes no sense whatsoever. In a years time we have Diablo 4. Those who are true Diablo fans(like the crowd at Blizzcon) want a good Diablo game on PC. Whats released on mobile is something PC players dont give a shit about. Cause its a inferior version of a game.

I see no reason whatsoever to play DI when D3 is available and D4 is a year away.

In fact, having DI on PC makes it even more stupid when we know D4 is a year away.

[Elim Garak]

Thank youuuuuuuuu!!! LOL

I feel like we need more testimonies like this one. A lot of people come to the conclusion that it isn't aggressively monetized because they're level 30 and haven't felt targeted.

I completely understand that not every person is going to play the game until level 60 and then keep playing end game, but that's the kind of content that Diablo has been known for. You finish the game in order to start grinding the game, and Immortal has locked much of that end game progression behind aggressive paywalls.

That's how every f2p game (that knows what its doing) goes. End game is for whales. Freesbies are rotating when the old ones check out at max level, and the new ones are acquired via promotional campaigns. New content drops oldies return to check it out. It's a long long cycle if the base game is good and whales have things to buy.

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That makes no sense whatsoever.

It makes perfect sense. You just don't realize that negative results are also results. They've lost absolutely nothing making it playable on PC.

[crusadernero]

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It makes perfect sense. You just don't realize that negative results are also results. They've lost absolutely nothing making it playable on PC.

Probably not, cause its Blizzard and they have fallen off grace a long time ago anyway. But, if this game was only on mobile, I think most people would be more inclined to just shrug it off with "ye, its a p2w mobile game dont care about it, PC MASTER RACE". But, since its now on PC too, that crowd gets attracted to it.

DI would also quickly fall (its already fallen off) off with streamers if they had to play it via mobile. Its a much worse play experience for streamers than its on PC.

But then again, Blizzard gets valuable data from DI about what they can get away with. Here comes p2w D4!

[Kyanion]

Thank youuuuuuuuu!!! LOL

I feel like we need more testimonies like this one. A lot of people come to the conclusion that it isn't aggressively monetized because they're level 30 and haven't felt targeted.

I completely understand that not every person is going to play the game until level 60 and then keep playing end game, but that's the kind of content that Diablo has been known for. You finish the game in order to start grinding the game, and Immortal has locked much of that end game progression behind aggressive paywalls.

I find it amusing that you can't even get your 6 set of green items complete until Paragon 150 or 160 to go into Hell 4. People are grinding their asses off and still are well over a month+ away from hitting that mark. It feels SO diablo to have to wait to grind set items...Wait. No it doesn't. The fuck.