Hear me out here.
What if there were no visage forms, only Drachtyr with different body shape choices
and a bunch of cosmetic/transmog choices.
Out of combat you can turn into a large dragon and fly around with one or two passengers.
Hear me out here.
What if there were no visage forms, only Drachtyr with different body shape choices
and a bunch of cosmetic/transmog choices.
Out of combat you can turn into a large dragon and fly around with one or two passengers.
Blizzard has stated they are hybrids. By the definition of the word alone that means they're not dragons.
Not how that works. We have the actual definition of the word that Blizzard used, and they did not elaborate that "hybrid" means something different than the actual english definition of the word for them. If you want to claim that they are using a different meaning than the standard definition, you have to show that evidence.Again, if you disagree, please provide the quote where Blizzard states otherwise.
Both are a result of hybridization.And please post a quote from Blizzard where they stated this.
I love how absolutely disgustingly dishonest you just proved yourself. You argue that "we don't know the abilities of the evoker class" but then you also said this:How would you know this? All of the Evoker's abilities have not been revealed yet.
The double-standards is so obvious it's almost painful to read. But do you know why I know that the evoker class doesn't have Alexstrasza's powers? Simple:
• Because Blizzard has demonstrated that Alexstrasza's power are about HEALING FLAMES but Blizzard has explained the evoker class uses red dragonflight powers FOR DAMAGE.
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Yeah. (Un)Surprisingly, written in a way to hype up the product. Go watch the deep-dive video, preferably with an english dictionary handy to know the meaning of words.
In the end it is semantics anyway. Doesn't change anything. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and blizzard calls them a duck....
We can call them hybrids or duck or dragon or chair...
And the usage of powers also doesn't matter. As dragons are not very specific in lore. TONS of different dragons and every breath does something else depending on what blizz needs it to do.
Translation; This is entirely my opinion based soley on a word being used out of context.
If it wasn't your opinion, you would have some quotes from Blizzard explaining how a hybrid cannot be a dragon in Warcraft. Alternatively, you would have some quotes from Blizzard stating how Dracthyr are NOT dragons.
Instead, you have nothing, and we have Blizzard stating the exact opposite of your argument on multiple occasions from multiple sources.
Known abilities from the various dragons;I love how absolutely disgustingly dishonest you just proved yourself. You argue that "we don't know the abilities of the evoker class" but then you also said this:
The double-standards is so obvious it's almost painful to read. But do you know why I know that the evoker class doesn't have Alexstrasza's powers? Simple:
• Because Blizzard has demonstrated that Alexstrasza's power are about HEALING FLAMES but Blizzard has explained the evoker class uses red dragonflight powers FOR DAMAGE.
Alexstraza/Onyxia: Wing Buffet
Alexstraza: Abundance
Chromie: Blessing of the Bronze
Onyxia: Deep Breath
Your argument: There are NO healing flame abilities in the Evoker class.
That's not a double standard friend, that's you assuming something based on no evidence.
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Agreed. Merely pointing out the evidence for those still in denial.
I would argue that it matters a great deal. Dracthyr Evokers performing abilities from Onyxia and Alexstraza goes a long way towards fulfilling the fantasy of being a playable dragon in WoW.And the usage of powers also doesn't matter. As dragons are not very specific in lore. TONS of different dragons and every breath does something else depending on what blizz needs it to do.
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Correction: your argument is entirely opinion-based, and literal interpretation of PR speech. And you are again being dishonest claiming I'm "taking a single word out of context" when I'm using the entire explanation about the dracthyr's origins from the deep-dive video.
And I've shown that evidence, explaining the actual definition of the word "hybrid" and detailing the process of "hybridization" and what it means; explaining that Blizzard uses the english language to describe their ideas to an english-speaking audience; how they've never (to my knowledge) said "hybrid" means something different from the actual definition of the word; and how they like to play fast-and-loose with the definition of the word "dragon".If it wasn't your opinion, you would have some quotes from Blizzard explaining how a hybrid cannot be a dragon in Warcraft.
On top of all that... there's this that further reinforces my point.
Whereas you keep trying to insist that Blizzard is somehow re-defining the word "hybrid" with nothing but your opinion on it.
Bullshit. That's something everything with wings can do.Known abilities from the various dragons;
Alexstraza/Onyxia: Wing Buffet
Bullshit. We don't have any ability names yet. And to make matters worse for you, Alexstrasza's powers are healing FLAMES but the evoker uses the red dragonflight essence for damage, so by definition there are zero Alexstrasza's abilities in the class.Alexstraza: Abundance
Bullshit. We don't have any ability names yet. (x2)Chromie: Blessing of the Bronze
Bullshit. We don't have any ability names yet. (x3) All dragons (and even many non-dragons) have breath weapons.Onyxia: Deep Breath
You mean, facts.Your argument: There are NO healing flame abilities in the Evoker class.
This is highly ironic and dishonest considering you keep insisting we have "specific abilities from specific characters" when we don't know any ability name from the evoker class, and we don't know next to nothing about how the tiny handful of abilities showcased actually behave aside from their graphics.That's not a double standard friend, that's you assuming something based on no evidence.
How is it opinion-based when its backed by direct quotes the developers?
If its the entire explanation, then you can provide a quote from Blizzard where they say dragons cannot be hybrids in WoW, or that Dracthyr are not dragons. Until you do, your interpretation of the word hybrid in the context of a fantasy game is entirely your opinion.And you are again being dishonest claiming I'm "taking a single word out of context" when I'm using the entire explanation about the dracthyr's origins from the deep-dive video.
Alexstraza has non-fire healing spells in HotS.Bullshit. We don't have any ability names yet. And to make matters worse for you, Alexstrasza's powers are healing FLAMES but the evoker uses the red dragonflight essence for damage, so by definition there are zero Alexstrasza's abilities in the class.
Brian Holinka mentioned Blessing of the Bronze as an upcoming Evoker ability in his interview with MRGM.Bullshit. We don't have any ability names yet. (x2)
The ability was shown and named by a developer in the deep dive videos.Bullshit. We don't have any ability names yet. (x3) All dragons (and even many non-dragons) have breath weapons.
Nope, just your typical nonsense.You mean, facts.
Yeah tbh all these people quoting and stating falsities need to chill out tbh, it's getting abit much.
To be honest, I play on Argeant Dawn one of the Biggest Alliance servers and so many people where talking in Trade chat last night about how excited they're for the new Dragon race.
The people being negative on the forums have definitely got to be a minority.
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Because you're failing to (or intentionally) not recognize the PR speech done with the express intention to hype up the product.
Once again, Teriz, that is not how it works. The word "hybrid" has a specific, defined meaning. If you want to claim Blizzard is using a different meaning for the word, then it's up to you to show evidence of your claims. Besides, as you clearly ignored:If its the entire explanation, then you can provide a quote from Blizzard where they say dragons cannot be hybrids in WoW,
HotS is not Warcraft. Show us Alexstrasza using green dragonflight powers in WoW.Alexstraza has non-fire healing spells in HotS.
Okay. You got one name. But even then it might not be the same ability despite the name.Brian Holinka mentioned Blessing of the Bronze as an upcoming Evoker ability in his interview with MRGM.
Except they were not named. They were described.The ability was shown and named by a developer in the deep dive videos.
Really? Then show me the red dragonflight healing abilities in the evoker's healing spec. I'll wait.Nope, just your typical nonsense.
So you’re saying that Blizzard is intentionally lying/misleading the public by saying they’re dragons?
Hilarious the lengths you’re willing to go to try to prove a point….
As soon as you show me a direct quote from Blizzard backing up anything you’ve said in this discussion.Really? Then show me the red dragonflight healing abilities in the evoker's healing spec. I'll wait.
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Kul'tiras wasn't an island before the Sundering which is when the Dracthyr were created. Azeroth only had its one main landmass, Ancient Kalimdor, with the Well of Eternity in the center. Trolls changed by the Well of Eternity turned into the High/Night Elves. Yaungol were changed into Tauren/High Mountain Tauren (since we know Huln Highmountain took part in the War of the Ancients), Humans were degenerate Vrykul fleeing Ymeron's purge to settle near Tyr's Fall under the protection of another Vrykul clan. Goblins were an experiment of Mimiron's when he took the proto-GOblins that lived near Ulduar and exposed them the Kaja'mite. And, since we know some of them helped Deathwing create the Demon Soul as well as affix the adamantium plates to his body to keep it intact, we can place Mimiron's experiments before the War of the Ancients as well.
They're not lying, or misleading. "You can play 'as a dragon'" aptly describes the idea and experience of playing a dracthyr without the dracthyr themselves being dragons.
I have. Several times over. You just completely ignore and avoid its existence.As soon as you show me a direct quote from Blizzard backing up anything you’ve said in this discussion.
If only there was a single quote from Blizzard to back this up…..
Nope. Blizzard calling them hybrids doesn’t mean they’re non-dragons. Especially when they’ve stated they’re dragons multiple times, and have never stated that hybrids cannot be dragons.I have. Several times over. You just completely ignore and avoid its existence.
We’re done here. For real this time.
It’s called marketing.
Kind of like saying playing DHs/DKs are fulfilling the fantasy of playing Illidan/Arthas. Yet you aren’t actually Arthas or Illidan.
If they were actual dragons blizzard wouldn’t refer to them as “Draconic humanoids” or with “draconic heritage”
Or in the reveal of the class/race specifically saying “we can’t let you be dragons like alexstraza so you’re the next best thing, draconic humanoids.”
They’re much closer to Drakonids than they are dragons (Mortals infused with the essence of dragons) which we’ll probably see in alpha/beta with their starting zone.
And yes, even Drakonids have visage forms as we’ve seen in cataclysm.
About dracthyr not being dragons? There is, and I've showed it to you several times over, but you ignore its existence every time.
It does. I suggest you go back to school to learn english, or as your parents what the word 'hybrid' means.Nope. Blizzard calling them hybrids doesn’t mean they’re non-dragons.
PR speech aimed to hype up the product.Especially when they’ve stated they’re dragons multiple times,
As always, this isn't how it works. If you want to claim that Blizzard is using a different definition of the word "hybrid", then it's on you to show evidence of them clarifying they're using a different definition. Which would be super hard for you considering the deep-dive video goes against your narrative.and have never stated that hybrids cannot be dragons.
You can avoid reality as much as you want, nothing will change. "Hybrid" has a defined meaning. It's on you to prove your case if you're claiming Blizzard is using a different definition. A gryphon is a hybrid of lion and eagle, but isn't a lion.We’re done here. For real this time.
Where did Blizzard ever say that playing as a DH or a DK would make you into the Lich King or Illidan?
They say that while also referring to them as dragons, which indicates that to Blizzard a draconic humanoid can also be a dragon. Please note, Blizzard has NEVER said that dracthyr are not dragons, but they have stated they are dragons multiple times.If they were actual dragons blizzard wouldn’t refer to them as “Draconic humanoids” or with “draconic heritage”
No, they said we wanted you to play as a dragon, but we can’t let you be as big as Alexstraza, but you’re a dragon via the dracthyr.Or in the reveal of the class/race specifically saying “we can’t let you be dragons like alexstraza so you’re the next best thing, draconic humanoids.”
This is your opinion. Blizzard has never stated this.They’re much closer to Drakonids than they are dragons (Mortals infused with the essence of dragons) which we’ll probably see in alpha/beta with their starting zone.
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Reread what I said.
The fantasy of being both is very clearly what they were going for.
Yet I can’t fly around in demon form, or raise Death Knights.
Nah blizzard said that they’re mortals infused with the essences of dragons which is the backstory behind the Drakonids that we’ve seen.This is your opinion. Blizzard has never stated this.
Both were created to be soldiers for the dragonflights.
Both have mortal visage forms.
Both can call upon/use magic from the dragonflights, even chromatic drakonids exist that can use all dragonflights magics like the Dracthyr.
And most importantly, both are draconic bipedal humanoids.
Only real difference is that one is melee oriented while the other is a caster (until other classes are added to it) with wings.
I don’t know how, but Blizzard solve a lot of problems by allowing Dracthyr to fight in visage form, with the option to choose your humanoid race. The dragon form could be an evoker cool-down, shapeshift, or out of combat form.