Instead of "Dracthyr", we should just get player-sized Dragons

[Teriz]

You're not being fair.

For the sake of fairness, you should link the 2014 model, not the 2004 model, so that we can see if anything changes in their muscles in HD style.

From the front, like the Dracthyr;

And you are ignoring context as per usual. Trolls are trolls. You claim that Dracthyr are dragons (and not dragonkin). In the context of dragons, Dracthyr happen to be noticeably thinner than their peers like Deathwing, Wrathion, and Alexstrasza.

Gee, I wonder why playable dragons look smaller and weaker than lore dragons like Deathwing....



Oh.......

[Nightshade711]

You're not being fair.

For the sake of fairness, you should link the 2014 model, not the 2004 model, so that we can see if anything changes in their muscles in HD style.

And you are ignoring context as per usual. Trolls are trolls. You claim that Dracthyr are dragons (and not dragonkin). In the context of dragons, Dracthyr happen to be noticeably thinner than their peers like Deathwing, Wrathion, and Alexstrasza. Different species, you can't compare a dragon to a troll. Dragons are naturally bulkier than trolls, it means nothing.

Teriz be like

“Look how skinny/hunched trolls are compared to Dracthyr!”

[Varodoc]

Gee, I wonder why Dracthyr look smaller and weaker than dragons like Deathwing....



Oh.......

Okay well if you're going to act like that then you're clearly not looking for a debate, you just want to antagonize and mock people, as per usual.

[Nightshade711]

Gee, I wonder why playable dragons look smaller and weaker than lore dragons like Deathwing....



Oh.......

Even though that model is drastically shrunk down… Deathwing was still quite bulky lmao.

Also was this an understanding that Dracthyr aren’t dragons?
Weird to distinguish them from dragons if they’re already dragons.

[Auburst]

C'mon, this should be fairly easy to answer;

Are trolls anorexic due to how skinny they are?

Dracthyr are quite beefier in comparison;

Trolls have bigger shoulders and smaller hips. They don't look impressive but they aren't supposed to be based on dragons.

You're not being fair.

For the sake of fairness, you should link the 2014 model, not the 2004 model, so that we can see if anything changes in their muscles in HD style.

And you are ignoring context as per usual. Trolls are trolls. You claim that Dracthyr are dragons (and not dragonkin). In the context of dragons, Dracthyr happen to be noticeably thinner than their peers like Deathwing, Wrathion, and Alexstrasza. Different species, you can't compare a dragon to a troll. Dragons are naturally bulkier than trolls, it means nothing.

Yeah Soythyr are closer to winged lizards than dragons. Tbh they look like some fetish costumes from tumblr.

[Teriz]

Teriz be like

“Look how skinny/hunched trolls are compared to Dracthyr!”

Nope, just asking a few posters to answer a simple question.

Their inability to answer said question is quite amusing.

[Nightshade711]

Nope, just asking a few posters to answer a simple question.

Their inability to answer said question is quite amusing.

The answer is simple.
Trolls weren’t designed to be the “perfect soldiers for the dragonflights”

If a Dracthyr gets silenced there’s no way they’d be able to realistically defend themselves in CQC.
Quite a major flaw for a ‘perfect soldier’ to have given that almost every class has the ability to silence/interrupt spell casts.

[Teriz]

Trolls have bigger shoulders and smaller hips.

Uh huh....

[Nightshade711]

At that point, the chromatic Drakonids would be more perfect soldiers as they can hold their own in CQC and use the magic of all five dragonflights.

[Teriz]

The answer is simple.
Trolls weren’t designed to be the “perfect soldiers for the dragonflights”

If a Dracthyr gets silenced there’s no way they’d be able to realistically defend themselves in CQC.
Quite a major flaw for a ‘perfect soldier’ to have given that almost every class has the ability to silence/interrupt spell casts.

You think a dragon needs to cast a spell to breathe fire?

Ah, of course you do....

[Nightshade711]

You think a dragon needs to cast a spell to breathe fire?

Yes that is one way they cast spells.
Especially in the case of the blue dragons. (Pretty sure it was specified in Dawn of the Aspects or Day of the Dragon too…)

It’s not like the movie Reign of Fire where they have two different glands that make chemicals that create fire when mixed together.

But either way, DHs can breathe fire too, and that can be interrupted/silenced. Why are dragons any different?

[Ielenia]

Moonkin are humanoids.

They still don't fit the armor models.

Barely.

Which is a thousand times more than you can say about dracthyr.

Imagine believing that a magical flying reptile that breathes fire and has the powers of the 5 dragonflights isn't a dragon to you

You mean "to Blizzard", since they're the ones calling the dracthyr "hybrids"

So when Wrathion turns into a mortal or a dragon, he's not using draconic magic?

Okay, let me rephrase: it's not necessarily "draconic magic".

I simply want you to answer a simple question; Are trolls anorexic?

Again: we're not talking about trolls. Stop trying to derail the subject. Stay on topic.

Yeah, it doesn't, but feel free to continue to move the goalposts into absurdity if you wish.

I'm not moving any goalposts. They're still firmly standing where you set them. After all, you were the one who said that one of the characteristics of dragons is that they have to breathe fire, which the dragons of the green and blue dragonflight don't.

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You're not being fair.

That's his trademark. But I'd recommend to not engage him on this "are trolls anorexic" nonsense because this is his attempt to derail the conversation away from the fact that dracthyrs look like anorexic salamanders when compared to actual dragons.

[Auburst]

Uh huh....

Thanks for proving my point.

[FelPlague]

But since Dracthyr can't fly only glide,

they can fly, why are you spouting utter fucking nonsense?

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Let's repeat what mister Selective Reading ignored:

So, we have:
• Druids are a staple of fantasy everywhere, the dracthyr are not.
• Druids' forms are heavily customizable with different models, the dracthyr are not.
• Druids allow you to show off your transmog in two of its four specs, the dracthyr does not.
• Druids have four specs, meaning a broader range of gameplay and utility options, the dracthyr does not.

ok I normally agree with you but.

Dracthyr are literally a staple of fantasy everywhere, half dragons
Druid forms are NOT heavily customizable, they are heavily varied, but customizable? lolololol no, you can't customize them worth shit, but there is a wide variety to choose from, MOST of them locked to what race you play
only 1 and a half specs, the other one requires a glyph which yes does still let you show your mog, but only through a "spectral ghost" visual
this final part is true however yeah.

[Nightshade711]

they can fly, why are you spouting utter fucking nonsense?

I’m not arguing it or anything because they 100% should fly.
It would be a very big miss if they couldn’t. I really want to have the normal 310% flying in zones outside of the Dragon Isles.
But everything I’ve seen from them flying was more of a “gliding with style”

[Teriz]

They still don't fit the armor models.

Neither do Dracthyr.

Which is a thousand times more than you can say about dracthyr.

But still shows that in 3/4 Druid forms, you can't fully see your transmog in combat, and yet Druids are the most popular class in the game.

You mean "to Blizzard", since they're the ones calling the dracthyr "hybrids"

I missed the part where Blizzard said hybrids can't be dragons.

Okay, let me rephrase: it's not necessarily "draconic magic".

Dracthyr use draconic magic. What magic do you think they're using when they're swapping in and out of visage form?

Again: we're not talking about trolls. Stop trying to derail the subject. Stay on topic.

Yet another example of your clear hypocrisy at work.

I'm not moving any goalposts. They're still firmly standing where you set them. After all, you were the one who said that one of the characteristics of dragons is that they have to breathe fire, which the dragons of the green and blue dragonflight don't.

I simply said that it's weird for someone to say that a magical flying reptile that breathes fire isn't a dragon. You're the one who decided to bring up the absurd straw-man that saying that somehow excludes blue and green dragons.

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Thanks for proving my point.

It's cute that you believe that.

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I’m not arguing it or anything because they 100% should fly.
It would be a very big miss if they couldn’t. I really want to have the normal 310% flying in zones outside of the Dragon Isles.
But everything I’ve seen from them flying was more of a “gliding with style”

Those would be examples of flying.

Also this;



BTW, pretty hard to put cloaks, backpacks, weapons, and shields in that back slot.

[Auburst]

they can fly, why are you spouting utter fucking nonsense?

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ok I normally agree with you but.

Dracthyr are literally a staple of fantasy everywhere, half dragons
Druid forms are NOT heavily customizable, they are heavily varied, but customizable? lolololol no, you can't customize them worth shit, but there is a wide variety to choose from, MOST of them locked to what race you play
only 1 and a half specs, the other one requires a glyph which yes does still let you show your mog, but only through a "spectral ghost" visual
this final part is true however yeah.

Soythyr don't look like half dragons tho. Winged half skink maybe.

[Arikara]

Okay well if you're going to act like that then you're clearly not looking for a debate, you just want to antagonize and mock people, as per usual.

Once again a statement that is a mirror to your own awfulness!

You are here only to voice your own tasteless opinion—and to rack down on all others.

[Nightshade711]

Those would be examples of flying.

Also this;

None of those look like flying in the ways you know we’re talking about.
No more flying than the DH ability.

BTW, pretty hard to put cloaks, backpacks, weapons, and shields in that back slot.

Yeah that’s pretty clear captain obvious.
But I guess you can’t understand that it’s possible for blizzard to hide certain transmog slots.

[Teriz]

None of those look like flying in the ways you know we’re talking about.
No more flying than the DH ability.

The one DH PvP ability where they essentially jump in the air and come back down to earth slowly?

Yeah, these are exactly like that.

Yeah that’s pretty clear captain obvious.
But I guess you can’t understand that it’s possible for blizzard to hide transmog slots.

LoL!! Isn't the entire point of your argument that you can't see the transmog on the Dracthyr?