new prime governor of desolate council?

[Rhlor]

in the past the desolate council had a leader the Prime Governor Vellcinda so we see now we don't have a leader or someone who uses the title. although now lordaeron becomes a republic it should have a president or prime minister who in the forsaken case would be prime governor

[shoc]

in the past the desolate council had a leader the Prime Governor Vellcinda so we see now we don't have a leader or someone who uses the title. although now lordaeron becomes a republic it should have a president or prime minister who in the forsaken case would be prime governor

I think it would resemble more a constitutional monarchy no? The Queen as a non-party head of state while the affairs of the country are managed by a parliament representing the various different interests of the country -- in this case the apothecaries, dark rangers, forsaken army, etc.

[Powerogue]

Well in that case the role of prime governor was to bring grievances directly to Sylvanas, who they still all obeyed completely, just using the hierarchy to deal with the more mundane day to day tasks of running the kingdom.

I don't think that's needed, but am not against continuing to see as far as Horde Council meetings primarily Voss and Calia showing up for the forsaken. It's already a crowded room, you don't need to bring everybody.

[Chickat]

I feel like Calia will be similar to Queen Elizabeth. No real power, but a figurehead. She may be on the council too.

As for the horde council, Id like it to be Lilian. Lilian meeting with Baine, thrall etc for general horde things.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

I get the impression Calia will eventually become the prime "whatever" of the new Desolate Council, if not become the new Queen of the Forsaken altogether.


But after you do the quest all of them are standing there saying "the new Desolate Council is formed" so wouldn't that imply that Calia is also apart of the council as an equal member?

[tromage2]

Like it matters.... What did the Horde council do sofar....
These writers at blizzard cant handle story building around councils you will hear nothing about them anymore till they need to kill more Horde lore characters.

[shoc]

I get the impression Calia will eventually become the prime "whatever" of the new Desolate Council, if not become the new Queen of the Forsaken altogether.


But after you do the quest all of them are standing there saying "the new Desolate Council is formed" so wouldn't that imply that Calia is also apart of the council as an equal member?

I think they all in part represent some part of the Forsaken identity.

Calia there as the continuation of the Lordaeron monarchy thus giving the Forsaken some sense of legitimacy as a Kingdom.
Voss who has her finger on the pulse of the needs and wishes of the Forsaken citizenry.
Faranel who represents the Apothecaries being a politically powerful faction within the Forsaken.
Belmont who is the new commander of the Forsaken's armed forces.
Velonara who is the new leader of the Dark Rangers.

Combined they represent every element of the Forsaken culture's identity and its institutions.

[Skytotem]

Kinda sad there's no cult of Shadow rep

[Vaedan]

I think they all in part represent some part of the Forsaken identity.

Calia there as the continuation of the Lordaeron monarchy thus giving the Forsaken some sense of legitimacy as a Kingdom.
Voss who has her finger on the pulse of the needs and wishes of the Forsaken citizenry.
Faranel who represents the Apothecaries being a politically powerful faction within the Forsaken.
Belmont who is the new commander of the Forsaken's armed forces.
Velonara who is the new leader of the Dark Rangers.

Combined they represent every element of the Forsaken culture's identity and its institutions.

Very true. Voss also represents new group of Forsaken raised in Cataclysm by val'kyr, while Faranel, Belmont and Velonara are the part of the original group butchered and raised by Scourge, who fought to reclaim Lordaeron.

[Aucald]

Kinda sad there's no cult of Shadow rep

I think the Cult of Shadow is sort of defunct at this point, having been more or less subsumed by the Convocation (the Priest Order Hall) as of Legion.

[Magical Mudcrab]

I think the Cult of Shadow is sort of defunct at this point, having been more or less subsumed by the Convocation (the Priest Order Hall) as of Legion.

Why would that entail that the Cult of Shadow would disband? The class Order Halls were a neutral ground, but people didn't give up their loyalties to the Alliance, Horde, or any other faction (or sub-faction) because of it.

[cparle87]

I feel like Calia will be similar to Queen Elizabeth. No real power, but a figurehead. She may be on the council too.

As for the horde council, Id like it to be Lilian. Lilian meeting with Baine, thrall etc for general horde things.

Agreed. When we did the storyline I felt like the various groups within the Forsaken had their representative. Belmont for the deathstalkers and rank and file military. Faranell for the apothecaries and scientists. And Voss seemed to fill in for representing the common man.

[Aucald]

Why would that entail that the Cult of Shadow would disband? The class Order Halls were a neutral ground, but people didn't give up their loyalties to the Alliance, Horde, or any other faction (or sub-faction) because of it.

The Cult of Shadow was itself more or less neutral - its leader was a Human Shadow Priest Natalie Seline, but it boasted acolytes of almost every race both Alliance and Horde. But when the Convocation was created, the various Priest orders were essentially rolled into it and have their own places within the Convocation's Hall. Not to mention that much of the older CoS had given itself over the Old Gods in any case, with only a few of its members remaining loyal to Seline's teachings.

[shoc]

Would be cool to see Calia flip to Shadow Priest when she gets mad. That's all the Cult of Forgotten Shadow I need.

[Skytotem]

I think the Cult of Shadow is sort of defunct at this point, having been more or less subsumed by the Convocation (the Priest Order Hall) as of Legion.

Which is an atrocious writing decision frankly, the flavor for them isn't the same at all.

[Aucald]

Which is an atrocious writing decision frankly, the flavor for them isn't the same at all.

Agreed, but then the larger part of the Cult had also fallen into Old God worship - so perhaps it simply wasn't strong enough to stand on its own anymore.

[Skytotem]

Agreed, but then the larger part of the Cult had also fallen into Old God worship - so perhaps it simply wasn't strong enough to stand on its own anymore.

That's ALSO a terrible writing decision and retcon. Up there with making the Night Watch in duskwood legion cultists.

[loras]

in the past the desolate council had a leader the Prime Governor Vellcinda so we see now we don't have a leader or someone who uses the title. although now lordaeron becomes a republic it should have a president or prime minister who in the forsaken case would be prime governor

It would grace them to not invest too much power in one person. Let their "prime" minister merely relay the decisions of the council.

[Aucald]

That's ALSO a terrible writing decision and retcon. Up there with making the Night Watch in duskwood legion cultists.

Well, it does make some sense for the Cult of Shadow - Shadow Priests touch the Void a good deal, and the Old Gods are products of the Void. There's definitely a risk in playing with proverbial fire like that. The Night Watch being Legion cultists I agree never made sense, and was just one of those story reveals that was a waste of potential in the end.

[Nathreim]

in the past the desolate council had a leader the Prime Governor Vellcinda so we see now we don't have a leader or someone who uses the title. although now lordaeron becomes a republic it should have a president or prime minister who in the forsaken case would be prime governor

Its clearly Voss if its anyone. She brought everyone together and convinced the others to allow Calia to help. Calia wants no part in leading she has made this clear multiple times she only wants to help as much as she can. Belmont would probably kill Calia if she tried to become leader.