Dracthyr Buffness

[Rageonit]

It's not lore its art style. Judging by thousands of likes for bigger and meaner Soythyr I think it's clear what people expected from the race.

But it's proves nothing - until you have some numbers to compare, it's inconclusive.
Imagine they made the Drakthyr buffed up from the starts. What would happen then? Many of those who like the buffed up option wouldn't be here (by the simple rule that people who are happy about something are always less vocal than people who are unhappy); we'd have a thread calling for slender Drakthyrs and we'd have fan art creations with thousands of likes for more slender Drakthyrs.

You repeat the same mistake again and again: you see some people sharing your ideas and you attribute them to the whole "community", arguing that it's something "people expected from the race". Yes, there's a group of people who want buffed up Drakthyrs, but raw numbers prove that more people play slender characters. You can justify it however you want, but it's a fact - and your justifications (lore, fantasy canon etc. etc.) are speculations. You can't know for sure WHY elves are the most popular race. You can theorize about it, but the only known fact is that more people play slender characters.

[bullseyed]

Exactly. It really boggles the mind that people don't understand this. Also we should be applauding the fact that this is the first WoW hero class that is a ranged/caster and not a melee fighter (something people wanted ever since DH was announced).

So we're removing caster classes from existing beefy races, right?

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Perhaps you and Neltharion have a different idea of what embodies the "perfect soldier." He did also apparently shelf the project, so perhaps the Dracthyr didn't ultimately live up to his design goals.

I guess if you've never played WoW you could believe that the project to create unbeatable dragon soldiers ended. There's are raids about it continuing in most of the expansions though. Most recently, BFA.

[Teriz]

So we're removing caster classes from existing beefy races, right?

Dracthyr were designed to only be Evokers. Other races have more options class wise, and via gameplay limitations, you’re stuck with the same body type regardless of your class. I would love to make a skinny human mage, but that’s on the game.

[bullseyed]

That's kind of an impossible benchmark - what people want could cover essentially anything without logical or narrative boundaries, whereas races and classes have both types of boundaries implicit in their creation. People *are* being catered to with the expansion of body types already showcased, as well; but there are going to be upper boundaries to that.

As I said previously, more variation is almost always to the good, but if you're expecting a level of variation that doesn't fit the aesthetic theme of the race/class, you're going to be dissatisfied no matter what. That's not a design issue, that's more a "you problem" as they say nowadays.

Need to remove all the new race/class combos since Cata if narrative boundaries suddenly matter again.

As far as logical goes, the current Dracthyr model could not stand due to lack of muscle to support their wings. They'd simply tip over and turtle.

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Ye dont cite Neltharion when it is just a shitty blizzard lore error, since the Black Dragon Aspect didnt even put the "blackness" in this project, for reasons?

The perfect soldier without the black aspect powers, made by the black aspect itself.

Ye sure that is reasonable and not idiotic at all.

People are super struggling with the fact that there is a 75%+ chance that the 3rd evoker spec is going to open in 10.1 or 10.2 once some story thing happens with the black dragons. And it will probably be a tank spec.

That is why Bliz is stuck with the "why no melee" feedback. They can't spoil the story and can't pull it forward, but also can't say no.

[Auburst]

But it's proves nothing - until you have some numbers to compare, it's inconclusive.
Imagine they made the Drakthyr buffed up from the starts. What would happen then? Many of those who like the buffed up option wouldn't be here (by the simple rule that people who are happy about something are always less vocal than people who are unhappy); we'd have a thread calling for slender Drakthyrs and we'd have fan art creations with thousands of likes for more slender Drakthyrs.

You repeat the same mistake again and again: you see some people sharing your ideas and you attribute them to the whole "community", arguing that it's something "people expected from the race". Yes, there's a group of people who want buffed up Drakthyrs, but raw numbers prove that more people play slender characters. You can justify it however you want, but it's a fact - and your justifications (lore, fantasy canon etc. etc.) are speculations. You can't know for sure WHY elves are the most popular race. You can theorize about it, but the only known fact is that more people play slender characters.

There would be much less people calling for slender one because it's not fitting for what the race is supposed to be. Even in buffer Soythyr discussions they always were a minority.

It's what people expected from the race. More people play slender elves. Humans are the second most popular race and they are gorillas.

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For once Blizzard did the right thing, listened to their community trends (WE WANT SLIM ELVES!!!) and made a new, on-shape race. Yet weird people with zero taste want Dracthyr to be like a fat Spyro dragon.



Thank God you people's ignorance towards WoW lore (slender, lizard-like dragons) and general art-style will not mess up the only good thing this shitstain of a company did recently.

Ignorance? Ironic as fuck.

[bullseyed]

In addition, Maloriak is pretty far from a combat monster himself, the "Dragonman" model is itself pretty spindly and a far cry from the more melee-oriented Drakonid model.

Maloriak is very obviously a dracthyr.

[Rageonit]

There would be much less people calling for slender one because it's not fitting for what the race is supposed to be. Even in buffer Soythyr discussions they always were a minority.

Again, pure speculation. You have no proof of that, so your argument has no merits. I can argue otherwise and none of us will be right, therefore it's moot to do so. You need to start distinguishing proof from speculation.

It's what people expected from the race.

That's speculation.

More people play slender elves. Humans are the second most popular race and they are gorillas.

Also, a lot more people play slender races in total.

[bullseyed]

center is buff, we are getting the bottom right as buffed. lol

The thing to notice in this image is they all have big pectoral muscles, because you cannot have wings without it. Dracthyr have no pectoral muscles, and will be unable to fly as currently designed.

[A Chozo]

The thing to notice in this image is they all have big pectoral muscles, because you cannot have wings without it. Dracthyr have no pectoral muscles, and will be unable to fly as currently designed.

Dracthyr literally have more pectoral muscles than Demona, Lexington and Brooklyn. Also, pectoral muscles are irrelevant in this discussion: no reptile or mammal with more than four limbs exist. When they do in fantasy, the two extra limbs come from their backs - they aren't connected anatomically to the pectoral muscles, they require a specific subset of muscles to operate. Only one there who requires arm swinging to fly is Lexington and maybe that dark blue fuck.

And finally, how a fantasy dragon flies is on the bottom of the barrel of irrelevant questioning.

[bullseyed]

I meant the middle picture (the dracthyr). Imagine sitting at your desk and looking at that form and saying that isn’t buff. You must be Arnold Schwarzenegger.

We can tell you've never actually exercised since you can't tell the difference between arm definition and pectoral muscles (which are required for functioning wings).

[Auburst]

Again, pure speculation. You have no proof of that, so your argument has no merits. I can argue otherwise and none of us will be right, therefore it's moot to do so. You need to start distinguishing proof from speculation.


That's speculation.


Also, a lot more people play slender races in total.

It's a good speculation judging by community reactions. No, it's how dragons were always presented in WoW that's why Drakonids, who btw Blizzard considered to release at some point were always the most popular representative of dragonkin among possible playable races. You mean elves yeah.

[A Chozo]

Again, pure speculation. You have no proof of that, so your argument has no merits. I can argue otherwise and none of us will be right, therefore it's moot to do so. You need to start distinguishing proof from speculation.

Actually you just need to point to how WoW's playerbase prefer elves and how WoW Dragons have always been slender to proper "prove" your point. People claiming for even more buff dracthyr are a mockery at this point, going against the game's lore and trying to gaslight the rest of the thread.

[bullseyed]

Dracthyr literally have more pectoral muscles than Demona, Lexington and Brooklyn.

Go ahead and draw where you think the pec line is on the dracthyr, clearly visible on the gargoyle.

[Rageonit]

It's a good speculation judging by community reactions. No, it's how dragons were always presented in WoW that's why Drakonids, who btw Blizzard considered to release at some point were always the most popular representative of dragonkin among possible playable races. You mean elves yeah.

Speculation is still speculation no matter how much you believe it to be true. And you can't know if it's true, because you have no data on how people would react if Blizzard released buffed up Drakthyrs instead of their slender forms.

[A Chozo]

Go ahead and draw where you think the pec line is

that's some professional goalpost shifting
1 - If you think they have less pec muscles than him, you draw it
2 - Crickets about the importance of pectoral muscles on a flying lizard with six limbs, eh? Thought so.

Go back to deviantart if you want your dragons to be more buff, I'm done with you.

[Auburst]

Speculation is still speculation no matter how much you believe it to be true. And you can't know if it's true, because you have no data on how people would react if Blizzard released buffed up Drakthyrs instead of their slender forms.

It's a hypothesis rather. I know they would react much better because I know WoW community enough. It's fucking bizzare to think that buff dragon that is modeled after other dragons would receive more flak than winged gecko.

[Aucald]

Poof. I just bought blizzard and changed the lore so that Dracthyr specifically can't cast spells.

Um, congratulations? Can you also make the model's head slightly larger so it doesn't seem disproportional to the rest of the body, then?

[Rageonit]

I know they would react much better because I know WoW community enough.

You think you do, but you don't. All you know is a group of vocal people who paint themselves as "the community". In reality, the vast majority of WoW players have never, ever voiced their opinions anywhere, so it's impossible to know them.

[Aucald]

Maloriak is very obviously a dracthyr.

It seems doubtful, especially since we know that Maloriak used to be a human (Mallory) and was somehow mutated by Nefarian into what he is now - the Dracthyr aren't mutated humans.

[bullseyed]

You are saying that a Dracthyr with the muscle proportions of Jason Momoa isn't buff.



But of course you can say that Jason Momoa isn't buff - then we'll kindly ask you to step outside for once this year and actually look at real people instead of idealized Deviantart scaly art as linked by Lorgar.

Please highlight the pec and ab lines on the dragon, where you think you see them. Then take your meds.