Disintegrate

[Shaqthefat]

The Arcane Mages conjure comes from the Titan cosmic force, while the lunar spells Druids use relate to Elune, a different deity.

This has already been debunked multiple times now. You are unbelievably dense. Firstly, Titans don't create arcane magic, arcane magic is what titans are made of. Magics like arcane don't come from a deity, they come from their respective planes of existence. Arcane specifically comes from the plane of order. And before you start saying crap about Elune being bound to the light cosmic force, she has displayed some form of power in Light, Life, Shadow, and Order.

Secondly: https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Arcane#Druids

It clearly states that by calling upon the sun and stars they are able to use ARCANE magic, NOT astral magic which has been clearly and separately defined on several occasions.

Provide me with one single source that isn't you making shit up that says balance druids don't use arcane magic

[LanToaster]

Just look at the Wizard abilities and see how many ended up in the Mage.

Okey, lemme do that for you:

The Same:
Frost Nova
Arcane Torrent - You can Argue that is very Similar to Arcane Missiles. But thats a small Stretch
Ice Armor
Familiar
Teleport
Mirror Image
Blizzard
Energy Armor

Kinda, not the same:
Magic Missile - Kinda, Yes and No. Mage has similar Abilities, but with a Different name.
Arcane Orb - WoWs Arcane Orb works Differently.
Ice Armor -


Not in common
Ray of Frost - Right now, I dont think so. I´m not aware of a Channeled Ice Beam.
Shock Pulse - I´m not aware of any Electric Spell WoW has.
Diamond Skin
Wave of Force
Spectral Blade
Energy Twister
Electrocute
Slow Time
Storm Armor
Explosive Blast
Magic Weapon
Hydra
Disintegrate
Meteor
Archon
Black Hole

The Diablo Wizard has alot more skills that a WoW Mage cant do than they have in Common. And Most of the ones they have not in Common are the Offensive Skills, and more "Unique" shapes of Spells.
The ones they have in Common are mainly the "Go To" Spells in any Mage Fantasies. Not to Mention that the Diablo Mages has access to an Entire Element thats not even aviable in WoW.

The Arcane Mages conjure comes from the Titan cosmic force, while the lunar spells Druids use relate to Elune, a different deity.

Neither Arcane Magic Mages use, nor Arcane Magic Druids use is "Granted" by either Elune or Titans. They might apply the Power differently, but in the end of the day, its still Arcane.

Spellcasters of any kind harness a Specific Cosmic Force, and there is no "Lunar". If you think so. Back up your claims with lore.

[username993720]

I'll repeat the actual point of the post:

Yet, they overlap.
Inspiration, primarily abilities, was taken directly from the game and vice-versa.

This has already been debunked multiple times now. You are unbelievably dense. Firstly, Titans don't create arcane magic, arcane magic is what titans are made of. Magics like arcane don't come from a deity, they come from their respective planes of existence. Arcane specifically comes from the plane of order. And before you start saying crap about Elune being bound to the light cosmic force, she has displayed some form of power in Light, Life, Shadow, and Order.

Secondly: https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Arcane#Druids

It clearly states that by calling upon the sun and stars they are able to use ARCANE magic, NOT astral magic which has been clearly and separately defined on several occasions.

Provide me with one single source that isn't you making shit up that says balance druids don't use arcane magic

Never claimed Elune is a Light being. She's a Life being.
Let me ask you this: can Druids manipulate time and space like Mages? It is an aspect of their Arcane magic.

Okey, lemme do that for you:

The Same:
Frost Nova
Arcane Torrent - You can Argue that is very Similar to Arcane Missiles. But thats a small Stretch

More like Nether Tempest.

Ice Armor
Familiar
Teleport
Mirror Image
Blizzard
Energy Armor

Kinda, not the same:
Magic Missile - Kinda, Yes and No. Mage has similar Abilities, but with a Different name.

Arcane Missiles. Look at her HotS version of the spell.

Arcane Orb - WoWs Arcane Orb works Differently.

A technicality.

Not in common
Ray of Frost - Right now, I dont think so. I´m not aware of a Channeled Ice Beam.

Ray of Frost
Level 15 Frost mage talent
40 yd range
1.25 min cooldown
Channeled
Channel an icy beam at the enemy for 5 sec, dealing (120% of Spell power) Frost damage every 1 sec and slowing movement by 60%. Each time Ray of Frost deals damage, its damage and snare increases by 10%.

Generates 2 charges of Fingers of Frost over its duration.

Shock Pulse - I´m not aware of any Electric Spell WoW has.
Diamond Skin

Yes, they're missing lightning spells. Things is, it still fits lore as the WC2 Mage uses Lightning. Even Medivh used it.

Wave of Force

Supernova

Spectral Blade
Energy Twister
Electrocute
Slow Time

Forms of time slows exist. Just not in an AoE manner.

Storm Armor
Explosive Blast

Couldn't be Blast Wave? Or Arcane Explosion?

Magic Weapon
Hydra
Disintegrate
Meteor

Meteor
Talent
1% of base mana 40 yd range
Instant 45 sec cooldown
Requires Mage (Fire)
Requires level 50
Calls down a meteor which lands at the target location after 3 sec, dealing (260% of Spell power) Fire damage, split evenly between all targets within 8 yards, and burns the ground, dealing [8 * (8.25% of Spell power)] Fire damage over 8.5 sec to all enemies in the area.

Archon
Black Hole

Would want these very much.

The Diablo Wizard has alot more skills that a WoW Mage cant do than they have in Common. And Most of the ones they have not in Common are the Offensive Skills, and more "Unique" shapes of Spells.
The ones they have in Common are mainly the "Go To" Spells in any Mage Fantasies. Not to Mention that the Diablo Mages has access to an Entire Element thats not even aviable in WoW.

As we've seen, they have a lot in common that you, for some reason, cannot see.

Neither Arcane Magic Mages use, nor Arcane Magic Druids use is "Granted" by either Elune or Titans. They might apply the Power differently, but in the end of the day, its still Arcane.

Spellcasters of any kind harness a Specific Cosmic Force, and there is no "Lunar". If you think so. Back up your claims with lore.

We know Arcane is Order, part of the Titan cosmic force.
We know Elune is not part of that Pantheon.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

You aren't aware of the creators of these two, are you?

Irrelevant. As pointed out to you. Over and over again. Just because you don’t agree doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

I wasn't talking about lore.
I'm talking about gameplay, which is remarkably similar.

That’s nice. Still irrelevant to the point.

I never claimed that there isn't. Their Disintegrate is also different from what we know. It's just that the Mage is missing in that regard.

And this isn’t automatically applicable to the Mage theme because, once again, they are not the same thing.

Just look at the Wizard abilities and see how many ended up in the Mage.

And there a bunch that did not end up in the Mage. This is not a universal rule for you to keep falling back on. And this is now a fact.!Try again.

Then, you don't know much about lore...

Since you can’t separate objectivity with your personal bias, I find you accusing somebody else of not knowing the lore very ironic.

[LanToaster]

More like Nether Tempest.
Ray of Frost
Meteor

I´ll give them to you, I´m not a Mage Expert.

A technicality.

Not really, a Arcane Orb that Explodes, is vastly different from an Arcane Orb that just Travels forward.
Furthermore, almost all Runes for Arcane Orb in Diablo convert it to something VERY different from the Arcane Orb from WoW.

Supernova

No, Wave of Force is something Different. Neither the Name, Application, nor Visuals Imply similarities.

Forms of time slows exist. Just not in an AoE manner.

They are Different Spells. Slow Time is an AoE effect that very much Exists in WoW. E.g. The TimeDragon in Tazavesh uses a skill that works Exactly like that.

Couldn't be Blast Wave? Or Arcane Explosion?

No, with a very large Stretch maybe Blast Wave. But Explosive Blast is a Literal Explosion Originating from the Mage. Blast Wave is a FireWave originating from the Mage. Explosion != FireWave, you MIGHT compare BlastWave with a FireRuned Wave of Force, but you spend that one already on Something different.

Yes, they're missing lightning spells. Things is, it still fits lore as the WC2 Mage uses Lightning. Even Medivh used it.

Ohhh, now you´ve opened that Can of Worms.
Electric Spells are Classified as Nature in WoW. Medivh is a Special Mage, and WC2 Mages are probably Retconned by now.

I have no Recollection of any Recent Mage using Electric Spells. Enlighten me.

As we've seen, they have a lot in common that you, for some reason, cannot see.

Yea, they have some Spells in common. But not the Majority. And Still just plain Iconic "Yea, thats what a Mage gotta do" stuff.

That leaves us with the Updated list:

The Same:
Frost Nova
Arcane Torrent
Ice Armor
Familiar
Teleport
Mirror Image
Blizzard
Energy Armor
Ray of Frost
Meteor

Kinda, not the same:
Magic Missile - Is Not Arcane Missiles, one is Channeled, one is not. Thats a VERY big Difference.
Arcane Orb

Not in common
Shock Pulse - I´m not aware of any Electric Spell WoW has.
Diamond Skin
Wave of Force
Spectral Blade
Energy Twister
Electrocute
Slow Time
Storm Armor
Explosive Blast
Magic Weapon
Hydra
Disintegrate
Archon
Black Hole

We know Arcane is Order, part of the Titan cosmic force.
We know Elune is not part of that Pantheon.

Just, no. Titan is not a Cosmic Force.
Each Titan represents a Cosmic force, yet they are not the Definition of it. Oo

[username993720]

Not really, a Arcane Orb that Explodes, is vastly different from an Arcane Orb that just Travels forward.
Furthermore, almost all Runes for Arcane Orb in Diablo convert it to something VERY different from the Arcane Orb from WoW.

I don't think abilities that travel in a line, in WoW, do damage on impact. I can think of Death Knight's Frostwyrm or the Hunter's Stampede.

No, Wave of Force is something Different. Neither the Name, Application, nor Visuals Imply similarities.

Actually, they are very similar:
[https://www.diablowiki.net/images/th...of-force01.jpg
https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/scree...-supernova.jpg

They are Different Spells. Slow Time is an AoE effect that very much Exists in WoW. E.g. The TimeDragon in Tazavesh uses a skill that works Exactly like that.

I meant in the mage.
Things like Time Warp, Slow, and Alter Time shows you that they master time.

No, with a very large Stretch maybe Blast Wave. But Explosive Blast is a Literal Explosion Originating from the Mage. Blast Wave is a FireWave originating from the Mage. Explosion != FireWave, you MIGHT compare BlastWave with a FireRuned Wave of Force, but you spend that one already on Something different.

Seems like Blast Wave:
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/di...20150517194911
https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/scree...blast-wave.jpg

Ohhh, now you´ve opened that Can of Worms.
Electric Spells are Classified as Nature in WoW. Medivh is a Special Mage, and WC2 Mages are probably Retconned by now.

I have no Recollection of any Recent Mage using Electric Spells. Enlighten me.

"Lightning
Basic attack (does not use Mana)
The Mages of Lordaeron have the ability to discharge lightning from their hands when entering into a melee. These swift bolts of energy strike their victims regardless of any armor they may wear. Being the simplest of nature's forces to command, Lightning requires but a fraction of the caster's mana to employ."
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Mage_(Warcraft_II)

Medivh:
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/wo...20181002180512
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Phgnk2w36MY/maxresdefault.jpg

Yea, they have some Spells in common. But not the Majority. And Still just plain Iconic "Yea, thats what a Mage gotta do" stuff.

That leaves us with the Updated list:

The Same:
Frost Nova
Arcane Torrent
Ice Armor
Familiar
Teleport
Mirror Image
Blizzard
Energy Armor
Ray of Frost
Meteor

Kinda, not the same:
Magic Missile - Is Not Arcane Missiles, one is Channeled, one is not. Thats a VERY big Difference.

I disagree. They just changed the word Arcane with Magic:
https://i0.wp.com/boostingfactory.co...333.jpg?w=1080

Arcane Orb

Already showed you above.

Not in common
Shock Pulse - I´m not aware of any Electric Spell WoW has.
Diamond Skin
Wave of Force

Already showed you above.

Spectral Blade
Energy Twister
Electrocute
Slow Time

Already adressed it.

Storm Armor
Explosive Blast
Magic Weapon
Hydra
Disintegrate
Archon
Black Hole

Showed you above.

Just, no. Titan is not a Cosmic Force.
Each Titan represents a Cosmic force, yet they are not the Definition of it. Oo

Titans are being of Arcane. Their cosmic force is Order, which is Arcane.

"The titans (sometimes capitalized) are a race of colossal, planet-sized cosmic beings, composed of arcane magic ."

[Ielenia]

Yet, they overlap.

Which, once again, it is irrelevant. Wizards from the LOTR franchise and mages from WarCraft have overlaps, but that in no way shape or form means the Warcraft franchise is beholden to the LOTR rules, or vice-versa.

Inspiration, primarily abilities, was taken directly from the game and vice-versa.

Which, as explained a million times, it's irrelevant. Blizzard could add 'holy nova' to the Diablo wizard that absolutely nothing would change for the WoW mage.

[Shaqthefat]

Never claimed Elune is a Light being. She's a Life being.
Let me ask you this: can Druids manipulate time and space like Mages? It is an aspect of their Arcane magic.

Yes, Balance druids manipulate specifically space by taking advantage of the suns and stars.

I do find it surprising how you continue to have no evidence or sources to back up your claims. Oh wait, no I'm not, you're making it all up.

[Utrrabbit]

TL;DR

I have a problen distiguishing between different franchises and I can't get over it. Help, it keeps me up at night.

Why doesn't Mario use a sword and two guns like Dante. They both jump.

- - - Updated - - -

The last one would be possible in the Kingdom Hearts series considering Disney owns all those franchises.

Kingdom hearts is it's own universe. Something the OP seems to not understand.

[username993720]

Which, once again, it is irrelevant. Wizards from the LOTR franchise and mages from WarCraft have overlaps, but that in no way shape or form means the Warcraft franchise is beholden to the LOTR rules, or vice-versa.


Which, as explained a million times, it's irrelevant. Blizzard could add 'holy nova' to the Diablo wizard that absolutely nothing would change for the WoW mage.

It doesn't guarantee an immediate influence, but it adds a possibility as they often take from one another.

Yes, Balance druids manipulate specifically space by taking advantage of the suns and stars.

I do find it surprising how you continue to have no evidence or sources to back up your claims. Oh wait, no I'm not, you're making it all up.

That is the dumbest thing i've read.
Time and space as in the Arcane Mage's Illusions and time spells.

[Shaqthefat]

That is the dumbest thing i've read.
Time and space as in the Arcane Mage's Illusions and time spells.

I shall continue to provide real evidence, while you continue to talk out your ass.

"When Illidan Stormrage absorbed the power of his Moon Guards, he used the arcane power of the cosmos and stars to annihilate the Burning Legion."
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Arcane#Mages


Until being purified by Velen, the sunwell was originally a font of pure arcane energy most commonly associated with the sun.
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Sunwell


Grand Magistrix Elisande, a very powerful mage, who while using a font of arcane power was able to use abilities such as:
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=229738/cascadent-star


Or perhaps Star Augur Etraeus. A Mage who used his abilities to manipulate the stars with abilities such as:
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=205408/grand-conjunction
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=205486/starburst


Or how about Arcanist Tel'Arn, a mage clearly based off his title of Arcanist using abilities such as:
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=218807/call-of-night


Or how about spell blades with the names such as Astral Defender
https://www.wowhead.com/npc=112638/a...drops;mode:lfr


Or what about the mages named Twilight Stardancers?
https://www.wowhead.com/npc=111164/t...ities;mode:lfr


Or the real killer for your argument and beliefs here:
https://www.wowhead.com/npc=111170/a...ities;mode:lfr

Who has abilities such as:

Make the sky fall: https://www.wowhead.com/spell=221584/make-the-sky-fall
Call to the Stars: https://www.wowhead.com/spell=221487/call-to-the-stars

And the real kick in the ass for you, Starfall: https://www.wowhead.com/spell=221491/starfall


When you will face the facts that you know nothing about the lore?

[Ielenia]

It doesn't guarantee an immediate influence, but it adds a possibility as they often take from one another.

What you don't seem to grasp:

Either way, it's irrelevant. Because both games are different franchises with different lore and different rules. How is that such a simple concept is so hard for you to grasp? Concepts that are superficially similar doesn't mean they're bound to the exact same rules of character design.

Once again: it doesn't matter that a playable wizard class exists in Diablo. They're in no way, shape or form related to the WoW's playable mage class. Because, once again: Diablo and WoW are games are different franchises with different lore and different rules.

So your question in your OP:

Why is Disintegrate an Evoker ability instead of a Mage one?
It is an iconic Li-Ming ability

Is a nonsensical one to make when you consider the facts of the situation. What you're doing is akin to saying "why don't we have a bow/crossbow spec for the demon hunter? The Diablo DH uses bows" which is just as nonsensical.

[username993720]

I shall continue to provide real evidence, while you continue to talk out your ass.

"When Illidan Stormrage absorbed the power of his Moon Guards, he used the arcane power of the cosmos and stars to annihilate the Burning Legion."
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Arcane#Mages

Fury of the Cosmos
14 Energy 40 yd range
Channeled (10 sec cast) 15 sec cooldown
Illidan unleashes the fury of the cosmos, disintegrating enemies in his path.

Until being purified by Velen, the sunwell was originally a font of pure arcane energy most commonly associated with the sun.
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Sunwell

Due to its light colors. Doesn't have anything to do with the actual sun.

Grand Magistrix Elisande, a very powerful mage, who while using a font of arcane power was able to use abilities such as:
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=229738/cascadent-star

Cascadent Star
200 yd range
Instant
The caster hurls an orb of cosmic energy at the target that inflicts 1215 Arcane damage on impact, then strikes out at additional targets for 1215 Arcane damage. The number of additional targets decreases as the caster's energy depletes.

Or perhaps Star Augur Etraeus. A Mage who used his abilities to manipulate the stars with abilities such as:
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=205408/grand-conjunction
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=205486/starburst

"The augurs (or augurers) of the Zandalar tribe are revered for their gifts of the divine sight."

"There are also non-troll augurs that vary between warlocks using shadow spells and casters using fire spells."

"Starlight Beacons were used by the Highborne night elven star-augurs to focus immense amounts of starlight into a small, concentrated area. The device was mainly used during festivals, star-worship rituals, or when the augur needed to reach something on a high shelf."

Or how about Arcanist Tel'Arn, a mage clearly based off his title of Arcanist using abilities such as:
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=218807/call-of-night

Call of Night
2 sec cast
Arcanist Tel'arn marks several players with Nightwell energy for 45 sec. Marked players inflict 285 Arcane damage to all players within 100 yards if they are ever within 5 yards of another marked player or if they aren't within 5 yards of at least one unmarked player.

Or how about spell blades with the names such as Astral Defender
https://www.wowhead.com/npc=112638/a...drops;mode:lfr

No lunar abilities presented.

Or what about the mages named Twilight Stardancers?
https://www.wowhead.com/npc=111164/t...ities;mode:lfr

No lunar abilities presented.

Or the real killer for your argument and beliefs here:
https://www.wowhead.com/npc=111170/a...ities;mode:lfr

Who has abilities such as:

Make the sky fall: https://www.wowhead.com/spell=221584/make-the-sky-fall
Call to the Stars: https://www.wowhead.com/spell=221487/call-to-the-stars

And the real kick in the ass for you, Starfall: https://www.wowhead.com/spell=221491/starfall

Occupation: Farseer

"Farseers (or far seers) are exceptionally powerful and wise shaman that play the role of advisors or take on leadership positions in their communities. They are highly esteemed and respected by their factions. Though farseers were historically seen with orc shaman in great numbers, most races that practice shamanism seem to have farseers."

When you will face the facts that you know nothing about the lore?

You just call them all Mages, when they aren't even categorized as such.

I am aware of Astromancers:
"Astromancy, also known as astrology or astronomy, is divination and fortune-telling through the studying of stars."

Have you noticed that all of your examples are of Night elves and their relatives, the Nightborne, who are culturally influenced by Elune?

Does it mean Balance Druids are Mages?

By the way, what does it mean for Shadowmoon Orcs?
"The Shadowmoon had a history of astrology, they had always spoken the language of the stars, the earth, and the moon."
We know they had Shamans and Priests, but no Mages. Are Shamans and Priests Mages now?

Do you know what it means for the Denizens of the Shadowlands?
Kyrians, who use Arcane in their spells, never heard of the Titans and their cosmic plane. Do they still draw from it?
How about the stars falling from the sky in Ardenweald? Is the Winter Queen connected to the plane of Order and Arcane even though she's not aware of the Titans' existence?

Do you know that Necromancy can be found in several different cosmic forces, despite it being mainly a Death aspect? For example, Light, Fel and Void are capable of it as well. Do they draw this power from the plane of Death?

Is a nonsensical one to make when you consider the facts of the situation. What you're doing is akin to saying "why don't we have a bow/crossbow spec for the demon hunter? The Diablo DH uses bows" which is just as nonsensical.

Which is stupid, because distinguishing between the WoW Demon Hunter and the Diablo one is not hard.

[Myradin]

The Arcane Mages conjure comes from the Titan cosmic force, while the lunar spells Druids use relate to Elune, a different deity.

And Diablo wizards do not get their power from the Titan Cosmic Force.

[Glazey]

idk why anyone is taking op seriously. its been established in this thread multiple times that its two different universes lol

[Shaqthefat]

Fury of the Cosmos
14 Energy 40 yd range
Channeled (10 sec cast) 15 sec cooldown
Illidan unleashes the fury of the cosmos, disintegrating enemies in his path.


Due to its light colors. Doesn't have anything to do with the actual sun.


Cascadent Star
200 yd range
Instant
The caster hurls an orb of cosmic energy at the target that inflicts 1215 Arcane damage on impact, then strikes out at additional targets for 1215 Arcane damage. The number of additional targets decreases as the caster's energy depletes.



"The augurs (or augurers) of the Zandalar tribe are revered for their gifts of the divine sight."

"There are also non-troll augurs that vary between warlocks using shadow spells and casters using fire spells."

"Starlight Beacons were used by the Highborne night elven star-augurs to focus immense amounts of starlight into a small, concentrated area. The device was mainly used during festivals, star-worship rituals, or when the augur needed to reach something on a high shelf."



Call of Night
2 sec cast
Arcanist Tel'arn marks several players with Nightwell energy for 45 sec. Marked players inflict 285 Arcane damage to all players within 100 yards if they are ever within 5 yards of another marked player or if they aren't within 5 yards of at least one unmarked player.



No lunar abilities presented.



No lunar abilities presented.



Occupation: Farseer

"Farseers (or far seers) are exceptionally powerful and wise shaman that play the role of advisors or take on leadership positions in their communities. They are highly esteemed and respected by their factions. Though farseers were historically seen with orc shaman in great numbers, most races that practice shamanism seem to have farseers."



You just call them all Mages, when they aren't even categorized as such.

I am aware of Astromancers:
"Astromancy, also known as astrology or astronomy, is divination and fortune-telling through the studying of stars."

Have you noticed that all of your examples are of Night elves and their relatives, the Nightborne, who are culturally influenced by Elune?

Does it mean Balance Druids are Mages?

By the way, what does it mean for Shadowmoon Orcs?
"The Shadowmoon had a history of astrology, they had always spoken the language of the stars, the earth, and the moon."
We know they had Shamans and Priests, but no Mages. Are Shamans and Priests Mages now?

Do you know what it means for the Denizens of the Shadowlands?
Kyrians, who use Arcane in their spells, never heard of the Titans and their cosmic plane. Do they still draw from it?
How about the stars falling from the sky in Ardenweald? Is the Winter Queen connected to the plane of Order and Arcane even though she's not aware of the Titans' existence?

Do you know that Necromancy can be found in several different cosmic forces, despite it being mainly a Death aspect? For example, Light, Fel and Void are capable of it as well. Do they draw this power from the plane of Death?

Whoa, whoa, whoa whoa, whoa. Are you actually trying to say that I am the one saying that anyone using arcane abilities are mages? You're the only one that track. I am the one saying that arcane magic is not exclusive to the mage, and I did that by showing MULTIPLE instances of overlap.


Cosmic energy is arcane related, underlying cosmic energy does nothing but continue to show your lack of knowledge.


Star Augur, despite having the title of augur, is actually an astromancer: https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Augur_Etraeus

Which still makes him a mage and even if it didn't my point would still stand: https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Astromancy


Not sure what underlying the words Nightwell energy is meant to prove, not even sure how to respond because you don't have a rebuttal here.


Calling the Astral Farseer a shaman is disingenuous and you know it. At best they're a mage-shaman hybrid. They commune with 0 elements and practice no forms of shamanism. However, even if they were a full shaman, it wouldn't matter because my point still stands. There is one type of arcane magic and mages don't have sole access to it.



The Nightborne cast aside their relationship to Elune a long time ago, just like the Blood elves and Naga did. You know, I am not the one saying everyone who uses arcane magic is a mage, I'm the one saying that arcane magic can be used by anyone. Thats what the whole point of this shit was.


If a being uses arcane magic, then yes they are drawing it from the realms of order. Thats how that works. Arcane comes from the realms of order, there isn't a way around that. The night elves drew their arcane magic from the well of eternity. Do you think they had a clue that there were titans or even a sleeping titan at that bottom of that well? No, they didn't. You don't need to know shit about the realms of order to draw on arcane magic.

There are 6 cosmic forces: Light, Void, Disorder, Order, Life and Death. Each of them have a type of magic that comes from their realm of existence. Light gives holy, Void gives Shadow, Disorder gives Fel, Order gives Arcane, Life gives Nature, and Death gives Death. This is old information, you should know this.


Someone didn't do the recent Lordaeron quests. Necromancy is not death magic. Maldraxxus only uses death magic to practice it.

"Margrave Sin’dane: Necromancy is the art of animating unliving flesh. Here in Maldraxxus, we use the magic of Death to accomplish our craft.
Margrave Sin’dane: But whether these rituals are empowered by Death or Light or any other magic, necromancy is necromancy. You perceive a difference where there is none, child."

[Ielenia]

Which is stupid, because distinguishing between the WoW Demon Hunter and the Diablo one is not hard.

... You're this close to being aware of the nonsense that is your argument.

Because it's easy to distinguish the Diablo wizard from the WoW mage. Why? Because they're from different games AND franchises. Any and all similarities between the two are meaningless.

[bullseyed]

This is the most non-thread ever. Blue Dragon class uses mage-like abilities, more news at 11.

This. Mages are ripoffs of blue dragons, so evokers are actually more qualified to use magic.

[username993720]

And Diablo wizards do not get their power from the Titan Cosmic Force.

We know that. We're not talking lore, but ability-wise.

Whoa, whoa, whoa whoa, whoa. Are you actually trying to say that I am the one saying that anyone using arcane abilities are mages? You're the only one that track. I am the one saying that arcane magic is not exclusive to the mage, and I did that by showing MULTIPLE instances of overlap.

You're saying Mages and Balance Druids use the same magic.

Cosmic energy is arcane related, underlying cosmic energy does nothing but continue to show your lack of knowledge.

Never said it isn't. But, you need to distinguish between comsos stuff like Supernovas, Nebulas and Constellars and the Sun and Moon. The domains overlap, but are distinguished in the WoW universe. Mainly, Elune and An'she belonging to the Life realm.

Star Augur, despite having the title of augur, is actually an astromancer: https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Augur_Etraeus

Which still makes him a mage and even if it didn't my point would still stand: https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Astromancy

I know he is an Astromancer. So are Shadowmoon Orcs.

Not sure what underlying the words Nightwell energy is meant to prove, not even sure how to respond because you don't have a rebuttal here.

No word describes any astral body.

Calling the Astral Farseer a shaman is disingenuous and you know it. At best they're a mage-shaman hybrid. They commune with 0 elements and practice no forms of shamanism. However, even if they were a full shaman, it wouldn't matter because my point still stands. There is one type of arcane magic and mages don't have sole access to it.

There isn't. As Druids or Priestesses of the Moon\Night Warriors do not draw their lunar powers from something like Arcane wells or books.

The Nightborne cast aside their relationship to Elune a long time ago, just like the Blood elves and Naga did. You know, I am not the one saying everyone who uses arcane magic is a mage, I'm the one saying that arcane magic can be used by anyone. Thats what the whole point of this shit was.

"Nighthold citizens can be seen kneeling before a statue of a nightborne priestess wielding a staff with the symbol of a half-moon. Furthermore, Ly'leth gifts the player character an idol with the blessing of Elune. This may indicate that some nightborne continue their worship of Elune to this day."

If a being uses arcane magic, then yes they are drawing it from the realms of order. Thats how that works. Arcane comes from the realms of order, there isn't a way around that. The night elves drew their arcane magic from the well of eternity. Do you think they had a clue that there were titans or even a sleeping titan at that bottom of that well? No, they didn't. You don't need to know shit about the realms of order to draw on arcane magic.

Azeroth was meant to be a Titan. Therefore, her blood was Arcane.
Are you implying Elune is a Titan?

There are 6 cosmic forces: Light, Void, Disorder, Order, Life and Death. Each of them have a type of magic that comes from their realm of existence. Light gives holy, Void gives Shadow, Disorder gives Fel, Order gives Arcane, Life gives Nature, and Death gives Death. This is old information, you should know this.

Light can also cause Fire damage.
Void can also deal Frost damage.
Disorder can cause either Shadow or Fire damage.
The Titan Pantheon specializes in different kinds of magic.
Elune is part of the domain of Life, and therefore it is also associated with Arcane.
Death gives death, yet Kyrians use Arcane and Night Fae use Nature.

Someone didn't do the recent Lordaeron quests. Necromancy is not death magic. Maldraxxus only uses death magic to practice it.

"Margrave Sin’dane: Necromancy is the art of animating unliving flesh. Here in Maldraxxus, we use the magic of Death to accomplish our craft.
Margrave Sin’dane: But whether these rituals are empowered by Death or Light or any other magic, necromancy is necromancy. You perceive a difference where there is none, child."

It was all these years. Until that part. We knew others were capable of Necromancy, but we assumed they used Death Magic. Now, it begs the question, how did the others learn necromancy?

... You're this close to being aware of the nonsense that is your argument.

Because it's easy to distinguish the Diablo wizard from the WoW mage. Why? Because they're from different games AND franchises. Any and all similarities between the two are meaningless.

No, it isn't. They work and operate pretty much the same.

[WaltherLeopold]

evokers are wizards, are mages, are evokers OP is really weird to be this upset about this