Inclusivity Updates in Dragonflight - Body Type Names, New Pronouns and Voice Options

[Overlordd]

Its pretty much a pyrrhic victory. Most normal people will still think body type 1 is male and body type 2 is female and think to themselves funny when pronounces are brought up. It's literally just a way to keep the idiots on twitter pleased without it actually having any insignificance at all while we let them think it is HAHAHAHA XD XD

[Aydinx2]

Funniest thing is, we all universally agreed that any blood elf female is actually a dude IRL (albeit as a bit of a meme).
Suddenly this is a problem?

[Frozen Death Knight]

Except a man can be a woman. We have medication and operations to do so. Unless you believe a woman who can't give birth is no longer a woman? Or a woman who had to have her uterus+ovaries removed through surgery.

And a swap between literally species isn't comparable to a swap between gender. There are animals in the world that can literally swap between male/female if needed (Clownfish, wrasses, moray eels, gobies to name a few fish who do that). As far as I know, no create can change species.

Another hit against your knowledge of biology. Just stop dude. All you're doing is telling people how bad you are at biology and then telling them to touch grass. Do you even know what grass is?

No medication or surgery can make a man have periods. Or a functional womb. Or lose all XY-chromosomes for XX-chromosomes. Also, just because a woman can't have children doesn't make her a man. She is still a woman regardless. It's like saying an amputee is not a human because they lack two arms and two legs which is one aspect of defining a human being. Exceptions to the rule does not invalidate the rule. The whole point of medicine, biology, etc. is to determine when something is in fact malfunctioning. A woman who can't have children for various reasons when she is biologically mature to have them is a sign that something is wrong with their biology.

Humans are not clownfish. We're so far removed from those species biologically that it is ludicrous to make that argument. For every species that is able to switch sexes the numbers are absolutely dwarfed by the male-female binary system across the entire animal kingdom.

For someone berating others about knowledge, you sure aren't providing any.

[Aydinx2]

Its pretty much a pyrrhic victory. Most normal people will still think body type 1 is male and body type 2 is female and think to themselves funny when pronounces are brought up. It's literally just a way to keep the idiots on twitter pleased without it actually having any insignificance at all while we let them think it is HAHAHAHA XD XD

Why do you keep repeating this? We got it. Hell we even agree that it ultimately doesn't matter when both sides will be happy. So why do you keep posting your cringy "XD"?

[Aresk]

It's not a fact just because you say so dawg.

Psychology and sociology have drawn distinctions between sex and gender since the 1950s, long before any of your claimed sources such as Tumblr were around. You can pick up any 101 textbook from the latter part of the last century and find these distinctions. It's such basic common knowledge that one wouldn't even need to cite it in a research paper, because there are so many sources that simply agree to the terminology.

Also, your earlier posts seem to complete disregard the fact that intersex people exist, which while separate from the gender debate, does apply to your "only male and female" sentiments.

[Overlordd]

>thinks cars/airplanes are natural but surgery isn't
>disagrees with world renowned linguistics and historians on the definition of a word
>thinks nothing can change gender in nature even though multiple animals do

>still calls others out of touch with reality

I am beyond in disbelief. This is what it must be like to have Mind Blast cast on you IRL.

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So where is the harm then? Both groups are happy.

Except you, obviously.

I dont know if it was possible to write out so much, without actually saying anything at the same time. You post no evidence, nothing. You just repeat a lie and say airplanes are unnatural. Because mathematics and engineering is a weird concept to you?

Fucking lmao, the absolute reach and audacity. Go outside already.

[Illusions]

Overlordd is just baiting at this point, no need to waste your energy on them.

[Delekii]

I dont know if it was possible to write out so much, without actually saying anything at the same time. You post no evidence, nothing. You just repeat a lie and say airplanes are unnatural. Because mathematics and engineering is a weird concept to you?

Fucking lmao, the absolute reach and audacity. Go outside already.

Are you actually interested in evidence, or not? https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...y-transphobia/

[Overlordd]

Psychology and sociology have drawn distinctions between sex and gender since the 1950s, long before any of your claimed sources such as Tumblr were around. You can pick up any 101 textbook from the latter part of the last century and find these distinctions. It's such basic common knowledge that one wouldn't even need to cite it in a research paper, because there are so many sources that simply agree to the terminology.

Also, your earlier posts seem to complete disregard the fact that intersex people exist, which while separate from the gender debate, does apply to your "only male and female" sentiments.

Intersex people are a birth defunct with a problem when it comes to reproductivity. I am in no way dehumanising these people, but to claim it is a normal thing for human biology, no thank you.

[Delekii]

Science like insisting a man can get pregnant, lmao.

The left loss their affinity with science years ago.

Literally nobody on earth thinks a person without a womb can be pregnant. Nice fakedirect.

[Overlordd]

Are you actually interested in evidence, or not? https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...y-transphobia/

>evidence
>blog
>opinion articles
>podcast

LEL

[Delekii]

Intersex people are a birth defunct with a problem when it comes to reproductivity. I am in no way dehumanising these people, but to claim it is a normal thing for human biology, no thank you.

Are you actually interested in evidence, or not? https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...y-transphobia/

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>evidence
>blog
>opinion articles
>podcast

LEL

Yes. A blog with probably 20 links to scientific journal articles.

Here are just some of the links, if you can't be bothered:
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1509654112
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...017.00632/full
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...610?via%3Dihub
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...1.2015.1113163
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0083947
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17563-z
https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?d...7%2Famp0000307
https://academic.oup.com/humrep/arti...13?login=false
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...205?via%3Dihub
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...736?via%3Dihub
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...638?via%3Dihub
https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?d...7%2Famp0000307
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/...99.2013.798611

The point of the blog post is to bring them together in a cohesive way to show you why you are so stupidly wrong. It only works if you bother to read though, rather than out of hand deny.

[Aydinx2]

No medication or surgery can make a man have periods. Or a functional womb. Or lose all XY-chromosomes for XX-chromosomes. Also, just because a woman can't have children doesn't make her a man. She is still a woman regardless. It's like saying an amputee is not a human because they lack two arms and two legs which is one aspect of defining a human being. Exceptions to the rule does not invalidate the rule. The whole point of medicine, biology, etc. is to determine when something is in fact malfunctioning. A woman who can't have children for various reasons when she is biologically mature to have them is a sign that something is wrong with their biology.

Humans are not clownfish. We're so far removed from those species biologically that it is ludicrous to make that argument. For every species that is able to switch sexes the numbers are absolutely dwarfed by the male-female binary system across the entire animal kingdom.

For someone berating others about knowledge, you sure aren't providing any.

My argument wasn't that humans can, at will, change gender. My argument was that changing gender isn't inherently unnatural because it is literally happening in nature. I was clearly not arguing that humans can be like clownfish. For you to pretend that I was is clearly just a weak attempt to weaken my argument.

So a woman who needs to have her womb/ovaries removed is no longer a woman according to you? Biology isn't the ultimate authority. We don't just let people who get sick die, the same way we don't accept slowly walking and instead build cars.

I'm not here to educate, but I feel like pointing out clear logical flaws should at least make people think a bit more. When your entire argument for why this is bad is based exclusively on arguments that don't hold any ground, you should take a long hard look at what you believe. You want knowledge? Here: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...y-transphobia/

[Overlordd]

Why do you keep repeating this? We got it. Hell we even agree that it ultimately doesn't matter when both sides will be happy. So why do you keep posting your cringy "XD"?

Well because you think you won a battle when people avoid you and let you live in your own make belief world while 99% of society thinks its stupid but goes on with their day.

[Aydinx2]

Intersex people are a birth defunct with a problem when it comes to reproductivity. I am in no way dehumanising these people, but to claim it is a normal thing for human biology, no thank you.

Why does it matter if it's normal? Cars aren't normal. Those are man-made too.

[Subliminally]

>thinks cars/airplanes are natural but surgery isn't
>disagrees with world renowned linguistics and historians on the definition of a word
>thinks nothing can change gender in nature even though multiple animals do

>still calls others out of touch with reality

I am beyond in disbelief. This is what it must be like to have Mind Blast cast on you IRL.

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So where is the harm then? Both groups are happy.

Except you, obviously.

animals eat their young in nature, they grapejuice the females and turn off the power on another male's babies

just because it happens in nature, doesn't mean we should accept it or that is natural/normal

[Overlordd]

Are you actually interested in evidence, or not? https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...y-transphobia/

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Yes. A blog with probably 20 links to scientific journal articles.

Shall I link a Joe Rogan podcast next? Fucking lmao.

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Why does it matter if it's normal? Cars aren't normal. Those are man-made too.

Cars are a tool. What the fuck are you actually smoking to compare that to transgender surgery.

[Adamas102]

RPG. Role Playing Game. You play something you are not, you’re not playing you, you play a chosen hero. But sure, let’s complicate things, that’ll do the game good.. Because everything these days has to be projected on yourself..

Don’t see anything “complicated” here, unless of course you have the mental capacity of a slug in which case I imagine a lot of mundane things seem complicated to you.

How about instead of trying to decide how other people create their RPG characters you just do your own thing and stop worrying about everyone else. No options were taken from you here so you really have nothing to complain about.

[Aydinx2]

Well because you think you won a battle when people avoid you and let you live in your own make belief world while 99% of society thinks its stupid but goes on with their day.

I'm not here to "win a battle". The fact that you think of it as a battle to win is very sad.
We're not here to fight over internet points. Real peoples lives are affected by your constant bashing them as "unnatural" while happily making use of things like cars and computers.

That simple fact shows that you're not here to educate anyone or protect anything. You're here to harm others.

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Shall I link a Joe Rogan podcast next? Fucking lmao.

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Cars are a tool. What the fuck are you actually smoking to compare that to transgender surgery.

Doesn't matter if a car is a tool. It is not natural. When will you get in touch with reality and just walk where you need to go?
Without shoes please. Evolution didn't give us shoes so please go barefoot.

[Overlordd]

I'm not here to "win a battle". The fact that you think of it as a battle to win is very sad.
We're not here to fight over internet points. Real peoples lives are affected by your constant bashing them as "unnatural" while happily making use of things like cars and computers.

That simple fact shows that you're not here to educate anyone or protect anything. You're here to harm others.

Im not the one lying to people and telling them a lie here. You're treating people with gender dysphoria as children.

People don't want to be met with reality. They get angry when they do.