The natural expansion of the Dracthyr is for 11.0 and beyond

[Mace]

Every time they talk about Dracthyr being a 1 class race, and Evokers exclusive to Dracthyr because it fits the narrative for now, they always say that it is possible this will expand in the future.

They don't even give a long term projection - all this makes me feel that not only will this happen, but it will happen before expansion 11.0 is released probably in the 11.0 build or the penultimate build.


What will this involve?

1. Dracthyr will have other classes and features.
Classes: Likely: Mage (blue), Druid (green), Priest (red), Shaman (black), Paladin (bronze), in addition to hunter, warrior, rogue.

Features: an out of combat disguise as a race of your choosing. This is not a visage form of other races, you will have the current visage form as it is part of the Dracthyr's dual humanoid and dragon identity in it's make up - VISAGE FORM is not a disguise. However this means that Dracthyr could potentially get a disguise feature where you can pick any race you want to look like out of combat - and customise it in barbershop.


2. Evoker class will open up to other races. They would be like DKs and DHs, having their own special customisations, pretty similar to the visage from on the Dracthyr - they could have any number of lore reasons how this happens. A couple of likely ones would be 1) future experiments on races that weren't able to fully turn into draconic but retained the power and semi transformation abilities. 2) races that were infused with draconic essence or power due to some event. They won't be able to transform into Dracthyr for evoker abilities but might be able to turn into some sort of dragon or get pseudo tails/wings.

Who gets Evokers would depend on how much resources they devote to the art. It could be every race, but if they were going to have limits, it will be larger races, with magical innate abilities /talents and/or dragon influences. So from most likely to least likely they would be:
Elves (all), Humans, Tauren (all), Trolls (all), Green Orcs, Draenei (all), Worgen and Pandas.

Alleria did some shorts on what Evoker customisations based on Dracthyr visage form would like.

Images of Evoker Class of Other Races
[Pictures by Alleria from twitter]

[paxen]

Dracthyr getting other classes is very likely, they even talking about the Evokers being elite dracthyr. The less talented can be warriors and mages!

I don't think Evoker should be open to other races though. Instead they should expand visage options - Evokers are a lot like inverse druids, their class abilities are linked closely to their combat form (except their combat form is the true form, unlike druids who assume a combat form).

[i3ackero]

I think none of these will happen, but Blizz opened plenty weird race/class combos already so who knows. For me it would be better to stay with what's know, the closest beying just opening new visage forms of other races. The rest is naah.

And definitely not sooner then more race options for DH.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

Give them everything except Monk, DK, Priest, Paladin, and DH

[KOUNTERPARTS]

It's inevitable Dracthyr will be able to be more than just Evokers, and Evokers will be able to be more than just Dracthyr.

[Mace]

Dracthyr getting other classes is very likely, they even talking about the Evokers being elite dracthyr. The less talented can be warriors and mages!

I don't think Evoker should be open to other races though. Instead they should expand visage options.

But then Evokers being open to other classes and expanding the visage form on other races is from an art perspective EXACTLY the same thing.

The difference is in lore/game mechanis. At teh end of the day, you would want other races to become evokers, and if they can be , Dracthyr won't need visage forms for other races.. making their visage form uniquely thier own as it does have a unique face even if humans and blood elves can become Evokers.

- Evokers are a lot like inverse druids, their class abilities are linked closely to their combat form (except their combat form is the true form, unlike druids who assume a combat form).

All that means is that races who can be evokers will have gained the power to assume some version of dragon form - which like the druids , could have different interpretations or draconic creatures for each race.

It won't be a full transformation like druids, likely just a partial one for breadth abilities and tailwsipe, similar to demon hunter Eye beam that temporaririly shifts you into a demon. - their "trinket" ability could be like metamorphisis, shifitng you to that dragon shape, Dracthyr don't notice much because they'd likely be in Dragon form for that ability or if in visage form will morpph to their dragon form for it's duration - this is how i gues it will go down.

[Gaidax]

Drakthyr getting more class choices down the road is possible, but I don't see how Evokers can be moved to other races given they require draconic features to cast very obvious draconic stuff like Deep Breath.

[Mace]

Give them everything except Monk, DK, Priest, Paladin, and DH

I can definitely understand them not getting Dk and DH - obviously, Monk makes sense as it's a magic based class dragons have never connected wtih.

But priest and paladin - that smacks of the Red flight, and you can expand the bronze to include a palaadinesque dimension.

[THEORACLE64]

It's inevitable Dracthyr will be able to be more than just Evokers, and Evokers will be able to be more than just Dracthyr.

I can't see that happening, at all. In the same way DH wouldn't make sense for any other class, Evokers literally invoking their dragon abilities wouldn't make sense for any other race. It would make zero sense to have any other race popping into a dragon form and be an Envoker, because then they're literally just be a Dracthyr with a different visage form.

[unfunnymeme]

I would love to see them get warlock and figure a way to incorporate fel's corruptive effects into your customization options.
That's something they need to do for every race though, class-based(and class locked) customizations. Like how gold eyes should be locked to priest and paladin for Sin'dorei.

[Swnem]

They also said they would expand Demon hunter to other races and here we are.

[VinceVega]

I would read the exact oposite into it. If Blizz doesn't tell us a date it won't ever happen.

Also they would have to think about how they can take all the evoker abilities away for other classes... which is difficult as they are not class abilities but basically biological... that is why we only have on class.

Also becuase blizz can't be fucked. See Transmogs. "doesn fit the fantasy" my ass

[Sorrowseer]

Before that and a barrier in my opinion is opening Demon Hunter to other races, you can argue back and forth the why and why nots, but in real life they should get other races before dracthyr.

[elderu]

Dracthyr dragon form already has Warrior combat animations but you don't think they'll be able to be Warriors?

I've never seen a Holy/Paladin Dragonkin in this game, but I've seen hundreds of Warriors.

edit: pardon me my eyes were completely missing the warrior/rogue etc tagged on the end after a couple re-reads. I was sure you must have thought of it though so did a cntrl-F and there it was. my bad

[Auburst]

Why the fuck those cutomization options look like some kinky oriental porn fetish.

[d00dles]

I would much rather have them give us 4th spec (for existing classes) and/or more customization options for existing races rather than putting that much energy on ONE race.

(I'm mad that I'm still waiting for troll beards and straight postures for undead)

[Myradin]

Dracthyr dragon form already has Warrior combat animations but you don't think they'll be able to be Warriors?

This isn't surprising giving the skeleton is the one re-used from fem worgen

[AngerFork]

Every time they talk about Dracthyr being a 1 class race, and Evokers exclusive to Dracthyr because it fits the narrative for now, they always say that it is possible this will expand in the future.

They don't even give a long term projection - all this makes me feel that not only will this happen, but it will happen before expansion 11.0 is released probably in the 11.0 build or the penultimate build.

Personally, I think they more or less didn't count on players wanting to be other classes as Dracthyr & wanting other visage forms, at least not very intently. I suspect they were perhaps surprised by how many people have made that request & are considering when they might be able to fit in other classes/visages.

11.0 sounds good, though I suspect that has more to do with time to put in the pieces they need for it. Adding in all of those customizations for other visage forms is going to take a while, especially given that you'll need to adjust each of them with whatever new form is taken. Tauren Visages will need far different options than Blood Elf Visages. If they expand some of the customizations in 11.0, that's where I could see those other visage forms coming in. For other classes as Dracthyr, the main issue on the surface would seem to be weapons on the Dracthyr body. Swords, Shields, Staves...those are going to be clipping nightmares with the Dracthyr wings & frame. Blizz is going to need some time to work those out before even considering adding in other classes like Warriors.

Main question though...is it worth the investment to do either of those over other potential new classes/races that will likely garner more excitement/marketing material from the player base?

[Mace]

Personally, I think they more or less didn't count on players wanting to be other classes as Dracthyr & wanting other visage forms, at least not very intently. I suspect they were perhaps surprised by how many people have made that request & are considering when they might be able to fit in other classes/visages.

11.0 sounds good, though I suspect that has more to do with time to put in the pieces they need for it. Adding in all of those customizations for other visage forms is going to take a while, especially given that you'll need to adjust each of them with whatever new form is taken. Tauren Visages will need far different options than Blood Elf Visages. If they expand some of the customizations in 11.0, that's where I could see those other visage forms coming in. For other classes as Dracthyr, the main issue on the surface would seem to be weapons on the Dracthyr body. Swords, Shields, Staves...those are going to be clipping nightmares with the Dracthyr wings & frame. Blizz is going to need some time to work those out before even considering adding in other classes like Warriors.

Main question though...is it worth the investment to do either of those over other potential new classes/races that will likely garner more excitement/marketing material from the player base?

I'm curious as to how they will do it. I suspect, Dracthyr won't get other visage forms, but instead they'll make other races Evokers, and give ONLY those Evokers, the same customisation suite the Dracthyr visage form has - kinda like only demon hunters get the fel horns and tattoos, and only DKs get the undead faces. I suspect they'll give Evokers of other races a pseudo dragon form sorta like the DH has when it Eye beams, or just have him magically pop wings and tails for the breadth abilities.

They could give other visage forms to the Dracthyr, but I think they won't, because of it's racial identity of being part humanoid, and that humanoid form already having a fixed appearance. Visage forms of other races on Dracthyr is a way to make other races able to play Evokers without adding to other races - but it is exactly the same thing as adding evokers to other races - with the Dracthyr Dragon form being altered for those races as mentioned above. So the question is which way is best to go?

1. Visage form of other races for Dracthyr - only if Dracthyr will only ever be Evokers - that way, at least you can get a form of other races to be Evokers as Dracthyr, but it will be better to

2. make other races evokers giving the Evoker class on other races Dracthyr visage form customisations like in the pictures above.

3. Dracthyr get other classes. Classes represented by the dragonflight (mage - blue, druid - green, shaman - black, priest - Red, Paladin - bronze + hunter, rogue, warrior) But if Dracthyr get other classes though, then you really can't give them other race visage forms, because you're essentially giving a free race change for everyone who picks Dracthyr - which will impose restrictions, like you can only pick a visage form at CC, and you will forcibly be in dragon form in combat all the time otherwise it's a free race change - which diminishes the value of visage form greatly.

4. Give Dracthyr the ability to disguise themselves as any other race out of combat. This isn't a visage form, it's literally you pick what race you want your humanoid disguise to be and you can character customise it like the worgen human form. This is only useable out of combat - and will likely only be limited to certain races. Meanwhile your Dracthyr visage form can be used in combat, because it isa unique form and part of your Dracthyr make up, while the disguise is just a mmagical disguise like full dragons use..


I think the best thing to do is option 2, 3, 4 would be the best option overall - Visage form on Dracthyr remains unique, other races get it via getting the Evoker class, and you can disguise as any race you want, giving Dracthyr a unique flexibility without breaking the game. This way also Dracthyr can be in visage form in combat fully if they choose. Dragon form is unique to the Dracthyr race, as other race Evokers won't be able to transform to it, and will have something else for their Dragon breadth ability.

Everyone will be happy this way. You get your disguise as any race out of combat (which you can change in barber shop), Evokers are on other races also allowing that visage form customisation to happen on those races, Dracthyr get other classes, and other races will. Dracthyr Dragon form remains unique to the race and becomes more special than the visage form thanks to other races being evokers..

Win win, this would make Evokers, and this expansion quite popular if they did it like mid way through the expansion or even launched with it. But sadly that won't happen.

[Lochton]

What will this involve?

1. Dracthyr will have other classes and features.
Classes: Likely: Mage (blue), Druid (green), Priest (red), Shaman (black), Paladin (bronze), in addition to hunter, warrior, rogue.

I hope not for the selections. I hope for see the following

Warrior, Evoker, Rogue, Priest. A bonus selection would be Hunter.