1. #7141
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Btw on Fyrakk surviving.
    10.1.7 needs to have some story content. I see two options
    a) Tyr awakening if we recover the disks from the dungeon
    b) Fyrakk getting killed by the Black dragonflight working together
    He and the left-over Djaradin elder are both alive and have a shadowflame theme. A two-boss raid would be a feasible way to go for it. Personally I hope against it, but it'd be a way to do it.
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  2. #7142
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    He and the rest Djaradin elder are both alive and have a shadowflame theme. A two-boss raid would be a feasible way to go for it. Personally I hope against it, but it'd be a way to do it.
    Yeah Igira and then Fyrakk would work. Maybe they could make a mini raid with them attacking Valdrakken or the Obsidian Citadel.
    Although I expect 10.1.7 to also have a major catch up feature. Forgotten Reach had massive catch up gear.

    Also Fyrakk is likely going crazy by the Void. What if HE is the one who survives his xpac and leads us into a Void-themed xpac?

    And third unrelated point, I really hope they give us some U-Turn maneuver at some point. Preferably a vertical one.
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  3. #7143
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Yeah Igira and then Fyrakk would work. Maybe they could make a mini raid with them attacking Valdrakken or the Obsidian Citadel.
    Mind, the whole plate thing is clearly building up to something. I'd discount Obsidian Citadel immediately if for no other reason than we're now two for two on underground cave raids and the Citadel has the same aesthetic as Aberrus.
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  4. #7144
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    Mind, the whole plate thing is clearly building up to something. I'd discount Obsidian Citadel immediately if for no other reason than we're now two for two on underground cave raids and the Citadel has the same aesthetic as Aberrus.
    I'd rather have them raid Valdrakken. So much goes into making capitals that imo they should have attacks on them more often. E.g. if I made Wrath, the first raid would have been Blue Dragonflight raiding Dalaran. And you know how much I wanted the Horde to raid SW at the end of BfA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebir95 View Post
    depends on how much effort they put into updating the game. an engine upgrade would easily give the game another 10 years min
    Well, in that case it'll never die as the engine gets upgraded more often than once in 10 years.

  6. #7146
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Given how multiple expansions had multiple themes concurrently, I am not sure why y'all think the game will give you solo themes from now on. More importantly, do people really expect for WoW to keep going for 30 more years???
    Considering Dragonflight, SL, etc have been solo themed expacs namely, idk why you think otherwise.

    And yes, as long as Blizzard keeps making money from WoW, there is no reason for them to stop lol. They have a LOT of expansion material to keep things rolling also.

  7. #7147
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Btw on Fyrakk surviving.
    10.1.7 needs to have some story content. I see two options
    a) Tyr awakening if we recover the disks from the dungeon
    b) Fyrakk getting killed by the Black dragonflight working together
    The roadmap did say 10.1.7 will have story&quests. Probably the lead-up to whatever happens during the Dream patch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scyth View Post
    The roadmap did say 10.1.7 will have story&quests. Probably the lead-up to whatever happens during the Dream patch.
    Depending how 10.2 ends storywise. Which I assume Ysera will be very relevant(Along with Merithera for a time).
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    Btw the Catalyst behaves quite weird when it comes to overworld gear. My raiding and dungeon gear seem to convert just fine but from the rest of the gear I see it only convert suffused gear from the camps, not anything else like e.g. champion gear from the Heroic Dungeon weekly and definitely not Timewalking gear.

    Also I just faced Gil'dan (murloc Gul'dan) but for some reason he used the Alexstrasza murloc model . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Utsuko View Post
    And solo themes we are in the middle of it right now. So I really don't understand what you mean.
    Titans, elements, void and soon Dream is all a single theme now?


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  11. #7151
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Titans, elements, void and soon Dream is all a single theme now?
    Outside of having side themes, Dragonflight is primarily singular themed. Everything in this plot ultimately connects to the Dragons. The Dream is no different. Besides, they kinda can't make an expac on the Dream anyway lol. If you want an expac like that, then they'd have to do the Domain of Life

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    I would argue true multi themed expacs are primarily Cata, BFA, and arguably WoD imo.

    Cata was an elemental expac, but it also focused on the Old Gods and the Twilights Hammer, Deathwing and the Dragons, etc.

    BFA is multi themed as events like N'Zoth didn't even really connect to the overall faction war tbh, so it's a complete deviation of said narrative.

    And WoD is arguably multi themed as the Ogres, while they were in league with the Iron Horde kind of, they were ultimately their own guys, same with how the Arakkoa were not really connected to the Iron Horde and whatnot also. The Fel Horde doesn't really count, cause at the end of the day, that is still part of the main Iron Horde plotline. You could argue the whole Legion ordeal was it's own thing, but it ultimately connected itself fully in utilizing Gul'dan and the Iron Horde, so it's not really much of a deviation regardless.

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    Multi themed expacs imo should only really be called multi themed if the different themes are completely deviated from the main plot. Dragonflight's themes ultimately connect with the singular theme at the end of the day, and that is the fact that it's about the Dragons (As well as the Dracthyr).

    Wrath isn't really multi themed either, cause everything ultimately connected itself with the Lich King plotline (Especially Yogg-Saron). At best, you could argue Algalon deviated, and the Ruby Sanctum happens post LK, but that's it really.

  12. #7152
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    Digressions are completely necessary for the structure of the game. A single theme expansion will visually fail. Even with Nighthold taken into account, I wanted to gouge my eyes out by the end of Legion if I saw one more black and green demon structure. Including a small breather won't necessarily help, see 14 months of SoO in an underground orc factory being followed by a brief breather from Highmaul and then another underground orc factory in BRF. And SoO and BRF were actually good, let's not even get started on Shadowlands's gray-a-thon connecting a year of a shit outdoor area with a mediocre raid.
    I maintain Legion as one of my favorite expansions, yet there's no denying the lack of visual variance post-Nighthold. This is especially baffling, given that the Broken Isles was a very well-executed expansion continent—in my opinion, at least—on account of it maintaining a consistent unifying aesthetic while also retaining the minimum degree of variety necessary to prevent fatigue. With the exception of Sex'offendaree, Broken Shore and Argus gave us a fairly repetitive environment, which is especially unfortunate because I'm of the mind that Tomb of Sargeras and Antorus were otherwise well-designed and interesting raids.

    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    Wrath's B-plot were the Titans and Yogg, and they deserved a raid to take over, which happened to be a solid raid. The Argent Tournament on the other hand was deeply stupid but it was at least marginally different visually, even if all it ultimately amounted to was an expansion managing to waste Anub'arak not once but twice.
    My personal opinion is that the best WoW plots are those which emerge as subplots and digressions. The general pattern among the opinions I've observed places Ulduar, Throne of Thunder, and Mechagon as the best stories of their respective expansions—at least insofar as the story goes—and I'm quite inclined to agree. These digressions seem to enable the writers to indulge their creativity in absence of the generally-mediocre expansion plots, enabling something beyond the degree of quality we've become accustomed to.
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  13. #7153
    would you be interested in having the next raid or the last one being more titan focused?
    would you be more interested in having last expansion fight be Fyrakk and Vyranoth at the same time or Iridrikon alone?

  14. #7154
    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    I maintain Legion as one of my favorite expansions, yet there's no denying the lack of visual variance post-Nighthold. This is especially baffling, given that the Broken Isles was a very well-executed expansion continent—in my opinion, at least—on account of it maintaining a consistent unifying aesthetic while also retaining the minimum degree of variety necessary to prevent fatigue. With the exception of Sex'offendaree, Broken Shore and Argus gave us a fairly repetitive environment, which is especially unfortunate because I'm of the mind that Tomb of Sargeras and Antorus were otherwise well-designed and interesting raids.
    I am still baffled by the Antoran wastes looking nothing like an Eredar seat of command. I really expected the Palace of the Diumvirate to be there and recall the Sargerai wing of HFC, Eredar architecture elements rendered in red, gold and black. It could have been quite more striking (and offered a much better dungeon to accompany 8.3 than the void vomit we got which could have just been part of questing).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skildar View Post
    would you be interested in having the next raid or the last one being more titan focused?
    would you be more interested in having last expansion fight be Fyrakk and Vyranoth at the same time or Iridrikon alone?
    I suggested earlier that we could have the last raid be on the outskirts of Avaloren. We get there to stop Iridikron from getting inside and the raid is in a Titan facility the natives repurposed which generates a shield that keeps the rest of the island safe. We stop what we have to stop but the shield is damaged and then in the prepatch we assemble there as we wait for the shield to fail (which it does at expansion release )
    Then Avaloren could have a mix of Pirates (we protect the Isles from the Nightsquall's invasion), Void and Titan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    Wrath isn't really multi themed either, cause everything ultimately connected itself with the Lich King plotline (Especially Yogg-Saron). At best, you could argue Algalon deviated, and the Ruby Sanctum happens post LK, but that's it really.
    Wrath's theme wasn't really the Lich King. It was Northrend.

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    Wrath's theme wasn't really the Lich King. It was Northrend.


    Wat. of fucking course it was. Lich King is in the title.
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  16. #7156
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Wat. of fucking course it was. Lich King is in the title.
    The focus of the Expansion was exploring Northrend though. The Lich King commands the narrative but the theme of the expansion is the frozen arctic continent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utsuko View Post
    Wrath of Northrend. This forum is actually full of trolls.
    So TBC was about the Burning Crusade even though most of the expansion has nothing to do with it?

    And troll? I am just having an opinion. Just sad of you to go there. Do better.
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    The focus of the Expansion was exploring Northrend though. The Lich King commands the narrative but the theme of the expansion is the frozen arctic continent.
    Exploring Northrend because the Lich King attacked both factions and we took the fight to him. We did explore Northrend yes but it was mostly because of the war the Scourge was causing.


    So TBC was about the Burning Crusade even though most of the expansion has nothing to do with it?
    TBC was a mess, we went after Illidan, Kaelthas(lol). The expansion ended as Kil'Jaeden was about to be summoned. I'm glad TBC exists but storywise there was no need to make Illidan the bad guy, same with Kaelthas. Sure it was cool for a boss fight in a raid but....not worth the story potential though.
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  18. #7158
    I am curious about this Silent Star and if its something that might pop up if Elune is heavily featured in the Emerald Dream patch.

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    They outright said that they had to give Wrath diversity in both visuals and plot arcs so that it didn't solely consist of fighting Scourge in Dragonblight-esque wastelands across an entire continent. That concern came up again with the orc overload of 5.3 up through 6.0 (that lead to them rewriting entire zones in WoD and making the overarching story a mess), and then again with the Fel-themed onslaught of 6.2 through 7.3. Korthia feeling like a retextured Maw with dead trees definitely contributed to the vibe that 9.1 was just doubling down on all of Shadowlands' mistakes.

    Honestly, I have no clue what we'll see for 11.0. It's weird to be six months into an expansion's lifecycle where the playerbase isn't completely simmering over how it's going and pining for the total opposite!

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    Do you think that the person that was teasing/leaking Dragonflight before reveal, will return this time aswell?

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