Stop Pugging and Complaining

[Xilurm]

I don't like saying this but. "It's 2023".

Like, who does that anymore? Being part of guilds that are social and full of life is a thing of the past. If you have one, lucky you. Enjoy it while it lasts.

[shise]

Nah, not in 2023, is not possible.

Chances to be able to play with the same people over and over out of a regulated raid environment are very slim. You would need to be online the whole day and not just 2 or 3 hours a day which is what most people play, if.

Today´s mentality is different than 15 years ago. People want instant gratification, not adventure.

[jamespark]

Honestly, the title says it all. WoW is a social game, stop playing with randoms and then complaining about random things.

Form a guild or a community, invite people who are cool and are good, team with them again. Rinse repeat. It is not hard people.

If a dungeon run goes well and you get on with someone, try to get them as a contact and team with them again!

You shouldn’t treat the people in your group as a throwaway commodity, and then complain you don’t know anyone to team with, and that randoms suck - it’s just stupid.

You can do it people, you can be social and make friends and have fun in this game!

Understood, forming a guild or community in World of Warcraft and playing with like-minded individuals is a good way to enhance the social aspect of the game. By working together with people you get along with, you can build meaningful relationships and have a more enjoyable experience. It is not productive to view other players as disposable and then complain about the quality of random players. Instead, take advantage of positive interactions with others and make an effort to keep in touch and play together again in the future.

[kamuimac]

Nah, not in 2023, is not possible.

Chances to be able to play with the same people over and over out of a regulated raid environment are very slim. You would need to be online the whole day and not just 2 or 3 hours a day which is what most people play, if.

Today´s mentality is different than 15 years ago. People want instant gratification, not adventure.

you can always schedule your progression runs on discord etc.

if you want to play hardcore difficulties / hardmodes you have to accept what it requires.

you can always do what a lot of sane people are doing - set yourself realistic goals - for example get KSM and then just do 1x 15 or 16 a week for the rest of season.

yes you wont be close to 420 when season ends - but what you will be will be close to 415 which will be more then enough to jump stright to 12-13 next season.

ask yourself it that extra 6 itlv is really worth the nerves stress and time.

[Cynical Asshole]

The OP is the kind of person who tells a depressed person to just be happy.

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Understood, forming a guild or community in World of Warcraft and playing with like-minded individuals is a good way to enhance the social aspect of the game. By working together with people you get along with, you can build meaningful relationships and have a more enjoyable experience. It is not productive to view other players as disposable and then complain about the quality of random players. Instead, take advantage of positive interactions with others and make an effort to keep in touch and play together again in the future.

WTF is this AI corporate speak?

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I don't like saying this but. "It's 2023".

Like, who does that anymore? Being part of guilds that are social and full of life is a thing of the past. If you have one, lucky you. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Guilds? All the guilds I seem to get into are either:
1. Raid loggers. They only come online during raid teams and then you never see them until next raid.
2. Trash zerg guilds who invite anyone with a pulse (and that's not even a requirement), and who behave like it's not even a guild, just a crowd of randoms that may as well be guildless, there are no guild raids nor any organized guild activity.
3. Discord or fuck off. Everyone is super mega social and talks mostly on Discord, leaving gchat empty and deserted. An issue for someone who doesn't really want to talk to people on voice chat.
4. Cliques. People who know each other and only do content with each other, and no one else is invited.

I have been guildless for years now. Guilds in WoW are a thing of the past, you absolutely don't need to be in a guild for any purpose other getting your raid credentials so you can pug raids after it.

[Fitsu]

Lucky you for having that option, if I had that option - I certainly would be playing as part of a group too.


Incorrect, I'm paying for a non solo experience - however, I don't have the choice - so I play solo mostly.

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I think it is a bit unfair that I have to stop playing because others can't play nicely with strangers.

It's not luck though, explain to me how I chose to find people to play with rather than just pugging and when I played that is what I was doing but somehow you don't have this choice. You can keep telling yourself that you have no choice and that those that have it are just lucky but that's just an excuse for your unwillingness to put in the effort.

If you go on Discords, join a social guild, talk to people, if you make friends you will find people to consistently run with and if you can't then maybe the problem runs deeper, maybe you need to ask why is it nobody wants to play with you?

[schwarzkopf]

It's not luck though,

Objectively incorrect, rest of what you said ignored assuming it has been based on your incorrect statement.

[Fitsu]

Objectively incorrect, rest of what you said ignored assuming it has been based on your incorrect statement.

Stands by his opinion while refusing to give any explaination as to why he is right nor why I am wrong to the point of just refusing to acknowlege the rest of my statement.

I am beginning to see why your having trouble finding people to play with.

[kamuimac]

3. Discord or fuck off. Everyone is super mega social and talks mostly on Discord, leaving gchat empty and deserted. An issue for someone who doesn't really want to talk to people on voice chat.
4. Cliques. People who know each other and only do content with each other, and no one else is invited.

its 2023 . there is no excuse for not using voice comms . stop behaving like 80 year old grandpa refusing to use technology aviable to him . if you want to be digitaly excluded be my guest but dont complain others just use technology aviabel to them

especialy that wow has build in well working voice comm for years now

4)its not cliques - its called friends. stop playing mmorpg as single player game and make some friends in game. if you play the game you are likely not 8 year old who ois to shy to speak to people .

its mmorpg . stop treating it as single player game

[vian]

Honestly, the title says it all. WoW is a social game, stop playing with randoms and then complaining about random things.

Form a guild or a community, invite people who are cool and are good, team with them again. Rinse repeat. It is not hard people.

If a dungeon run goes well and you get on with someone, try to get them as a contact and team with them again!

You shouldn’t treat the people in your group as a throwaway commodity, and then complain you don’t know anyone to team with, and that randoms suck - it’s just stupid.

You can do it people, you can be social and make friends and have fun in this game!

Better yet, delete the queue systems that puts randoms together.


/s

[schwarzkopf]

Stands by his opinion

I wasn't stating an opinion ... you are, objectively speaking, lucky to be able to group with people regularly.

Hope that helps clarify your error.

[Delekii]

Honestly, the title says it all. WoW is a social game, stop playing with randoms and then complaining about random things.

Form a guild or a community, invite people who are cool and are good, team with them again. Rinse repeat. It is not hard people.

If a dungeon run goes well and you get on with someone, try to get them as a contact and team with them again!

You shouldn’t treat the people in your group as a throwaway commodity, and then complain you don’t know anyone to team with, and that randoms suck - it’s just stupid.

You can do it people, you can be social and make friends and have fun in this game!

its 2023 . there is no excuse for not using voice comms . stop behaving like 80 year old grandpa refusing to use technology aviable to him . if you want to be digitaly excluded be my guest but dont complain others just use technology aviabel to them

especialy that wow has build in well working voice comm for years now

4)its not cliques - its called friends. stop playing mmorpg as single player game and make some friends in game. if you play the game you are likely not 8 year old who ois to shy to speak to people .

its mmorpg . stop treating it as single player game

This is not how people play the game. Telling people to do it a different way than the majority of people do is not a winning solution.

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Weird that a guy who made about a dozen "WoW's dead, play FFXIV instead" videos after the scandal broke last expansion is now making 5 WoW videos a week.

Why would that be weird?

Having an alterable mindset that changes based on current circumstances is the mindset of an intelligent person; having a rigid mindset that stays with a product through thick and thin is not.

When the game is bad, it is a good decision to stop playing it. When the game is good, it is a good decision to come back. The same applies to players and content creators.

It's the same thing in politics; people rail on politicians for flip-flopping, but if we had many more politicians who changed their minds based on the current information available to them, the world would be a better place. The whole idea that changing one's mind is a bad thing needs to be challenged.

[Fitsu]

I wasn't stating an opinion ... you are, objectively speaking, lucky to be able to group with people regularly.

Hope that helps clarify your error.

Claiming what you say is fact and telling me I am objectively wrong while again giving nothing to support your statement and then having a snarky comment at the end. I'm just going to say, based on the interaction we have had thus far I wouldn't want to play with you so maybe you need to consider that when wondering why you can't find people to play with.

Over the last 20 years I have had a 100% success rate in finding people to play with and that's... Luck? I have quit WoW and returned easily 10 times, I have found people to play with every time. I have found teams to play with in League, HotS, CS:GO, Apex Legends etc.

I have never failed to find people to play with if I want to find people to play with. Surely at a certain point you have to concede this is more than just luck? I put effort into finding people and then I put effort into keeping/organising that group, I'll socialise with them outside of that specific action etc.

Making friends can be hard, you've got to put yourself out there but doing it isn't luck.

[Vakna]

It's as easy as that. All you have to do is ditch your life outside of the game, so you can be reliable for your guild. Responsibilities and/or family? Fuck that bro, Sun through Thu from 19:00 are raid nights.
Also, how is grouping with randoms not a social thing?

What kind of guild are you wanting to join that raids 5 days a week??? Even cutting edge guilds don't do that. My guild raids 1 single night a week, and we clear heroic in 1.5 hours rotating in alts every week so we still get gear. If you can't make time for a 1 or 2 night a week guild then I'd suggest quitting gaming entirely because you clearly don't have the time management skills necessary to enjoy yourself.

[schwarzkopf]

Claiming what you say is fact and telling me I am objectively wrong

You sound like those billionaires that think that all 100% of the population can be in the top 1%.

In our guild, around 5 of the 40 or so regular players are lucky enough to get regular M+ runs.
As for raiding, apart from a few runs in an alt run - I'm not allowed to raid due to my disability.

There is around 1 healer for every 5-7 dps - that means that just by the maths, half the dps won't be getting regular runs (1 healer for 3 runs).

So - just because you are lucky doesn't mean everyone is - that's the whole definition of lucky.

[Cynical Asshole]

Claiming what you say is fact and telling me I am objectively wrong while again giving nothing to support your statement and then having a snarky comment at the end. I'm just going to say, based on the interaction we have had thus far I wouldn't want to play with you so maybe you need to consider that when wondering why you can't find people to play with.

Over the last 20 years I have had a 100% success rate in finding people to play with and that's... Luck? I have quit WoW and returned easily 10 times, I have found people to play with every time. I have found teams to play with in League, HotS, CS:GO, Apex Legends etc.

I have never failed to find people to play with if I want to find people to play with. Surely at a certain point you have to concede this is more than just luck? I put effort into finding people and then I put effort into keeping/organising that group, I'll socialise with them outside of that specific action etc.

Making friends can be hard, you've got to put yourself out there but doing it isn't luck.

Yet another dude who would tell a depressed dude to just get happy.

Just...be happy, dude, it's that easy. Look at me, I'm happy.

[schwarzkopf]

Yet another dude who would tell a depressed dude to just get happy.[/I]

Not sure who is depressed, but in this world - being rational and realistic is often mistaken for depression.

Fitsu is under the impression that I get to choose friends, however he might be surprised to learn that it is a mutual decision.

For someone like me with significant ASD issues - that means that the vast majority of people are either nasty to me, or just ignore me. So - I take the scraps I can get from the table and appreciate them - there is a lot to do in WoW solo, so that's good too.

But when the top 1% keep thinking that everyone can be there - they are having some pretty flawed thought processes.

[kamuimac]

This is not how people play the game. Telling people to do it a different way than the majority of people do is not a winning solution.

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well they if you deliberately choose to be stubborn and play the game incorrectly then you can blame only yourself for having bad time playing.

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You sound like those billionaires that think that all 100% of the population can be in the top 1%.

In our guild, around 5 of the 40 or so regular players are lucky enough to get regular M+ runs.
As for raiding, apart from a few runs in an alt run - I'm not allowed to raid due to my disability.

There is around 1 healer for every 5-7 dps - that means that just by the maths, half the dps won't be getting regular runs (1 healer for 3 runs).

So - just because you are lucky doesn't mean everyone is - that's the whole definition of lucky.

seems like you are in a wrong guild then if they dont take you in .

should have changed that guild long ago .

and ifyou refise to do so - you can blame only yourself for bad time you have in game

[Kilpi]

No, everyone in this game is a stepping stone for my own success. I treat MMOs like I do the stock market, scalp profits and move on to the next play

Its only western MMO players that want to turn MMOs into forced socialization cesspools instead of treating them like mercenary style experiences that they should be (and how Asian players play)

This explains a lot of the players I sometimes encounter...

[HansOlo]

You sound like those billionaires that think that all 100% of the population can be in the top 1%.

In our guild, around 5 of the 40 or so regular players are lucky enough to get regular M+ runs.
As for raiding, apart from a few runs in an alt run - I'm not allowed to raid due to my disability.

There is around 1 healer for every 5-7 dps - that means that just by the maths, half the dps won't be getting regular runs (1 healer for 3 runs).

So - just because you are lucky doesn't mean everyone is - that's the whole definition of lucky.

You know that there are millions of players out there. They are not all healthy and maybe even abit wierd like you(or me).

But only the few are complaining about it, relative to the number of people playing. I won't blame the game or the community.

Atleast, it's good that you have self awareness.