Feral Druids - Lets have a serious discussion

[Sarevokcz]

Omen of Clarity (learnable skill)

Feral Fearie Fire (learnable skill)

IMPROVED // Heart of the Wild (max rank)

Caster
Intellect increased by 40 % of your Agility
Spell power increased by 80% of your Agility //replacing Nurturing Instinct

Bear
Stamina increased by +25%
Agility Increased by +15%

Cat
Strength and Agility increased by 20%
Overal damage increased by +20%


IMPROVED // Improved Leader of the Pack (2 ranks)
Your Leader of the Pack ability also causes affected targets to have a 100% chance to heal themselves for 4% of their total health when they critically hit with a melee or ranged attack. The healing effect cannot occur more than once every 6 sec.

In Cat form Improved Leader of the Pack increases melee critical strike damage by +5% to party/raid members and +30% to you. (Final critical damage modifer 2,86 - reason: due to bad scaling and give normal, white attacks more punch)

In Bear form Improved Leader of the Pack grants you (and all Warriors) 1, 2 rage for every miss, dodge, parry or block, 3, 6 energy (Cat Druids, Rogues ), 1,2 runic power for Death Knight and 1%, 2% base player mana for succesfull melee and ranged hits (Paladin, Shaman, Hunter )

NEW // Feral Frenzy - 20 sec duration - 3 min CD Both forms
Feral Frenzy instantly clears all effects which cause loss of control of your character, and makes you immune to them for the duration while in Cat Form, Bear Form, or Dire Bear Form.

REDESIGNED // Beserk - 20 sec - 2 min CD
Bear Version
When activated, this ability temporarily grants you 30% of your maximum health and causes your Mangle (Bear) and Maul attacks hit up to 3 targets.

Cat Version
When activated, reduces the energy cost of all your Cat Form abilities by 50% and allow you to use Shred from any position.

REDESIGNED // Frenzied Regeneration - 5 min CD (3 ranges selectable - or 3 ranks available all the time) // old talent is just to slow to be arena and raid viable
1 - Use 25 rage to instantly heal for 30% of your health
2 - Use 50 rage to instantly heal for 55% of your health
3 - Use 75 rage to instantly heal for 80% of your health


REPLACE THICK HIDE (but way higher in the talent tree) // Feral Mastery -

Cat, Bear and Dire Bear only
Standard "equip: + X Attack Power" on armors, utility items and weapon changed into X/2 Strength (Standard Conversion 2 AP = 1 STR) - (Feral Attack Power DOES NOT CHANGE into Strength)

Armor contribution from items increased by 100% in Cat, Bear and Dire Bear form (this modifier is additive not multiplier).

+5% parry in cat, bear and dire bear form

-70% lower mana cost with shapeshifting (free SS with Natural Shapeshifter! )

i must say some pretty nice ideas

tho trainable OoC and cat +20%dmg bonus in imp. HotW are prenny unncecesary and i would say abit OP (yea, i have feral druid )
but i really like the most redesigned frenzied regeneration .)

[Discord]

Omen of Clarity (learnable skill)

Feral Fearie Fire (learnable skill)

IMPROVED // Heart of the Wild (max rank)

Caster
Intellect increased by 40 % of your Agility
Spell power increased by 80% of your Agility //replacing Nurturing Instinct

Bear
Stamina increased by +25%
Agility Increased by +15%

Cat
Strength and Agility increased by 20%
Overal damage increased by +20%


IMPROVED // Improved Leader of the Pack (2 ranks)
Your Leader of the Pack ability also causes affected targets to have a 100% chance to heal themselves for 4% of their total health when they critically hit with a melee or ranged attack. The healing effect cannot occur more than once every 6 sec.

In Cat form Improved Leader of the Pack increases melee critical strike damage by +5% to party/raid members and +30% to you. (Final critical damage modifer 2,86 - reason: due to bad scaling and give normal, white attacks more punch)

In Bear form Improved Leader of the Pack grants you (and all Warriors) 1, 2 rage for every miss, dodge, parry or block, 3, 6 energy (Cat Druids, Rogues ), 1,2 runic power for Death Knight and 1%, 2% base player mana for succesfull melee and ranged hits (Paladin, Shaman, Hunter )

NEW // Feral Frenzy - 20 sec duration - 3 min CD Both forms
Feral Frenzy instantly clears all effects which cause loss of control of your character, and makes you immune to them for the duration while in Cat Form, Bear Form, or Dire Bear Form.

REDESIGNED // Beserk - 20 sec - 2 min CD
Bear Version
When activated, this ability temporarily grants you 30% of your maximum health and causes your Mangle (Bear) and Maul attacks hit up to 3 targets.

Cat Version
When activated, reduces the energy cost of all your Cat Form abilities by 50% and allow you to use Shred from any position.

REDESIGNED // Frenzied Regeneration - 5 min CD (3 ranges selectable - or 3 ranks available all the time) // old talent is just to slow to be arena and raid viable
1 - Use 25 rage to instantly heal for 30% of your health
2 - Use 50 rage to instantly heal for 55% of your health
3 - Use 75 rage to instantly heal for 80% of your health


REPLACE THICK HIDE (but way higher in the talent tree) // Feral Mastery -

Cat, Bear and Dire Bear only
Standard "equip: + X Attack Power" on armors, utility items and weapon changed into X/2 Strength (Standard Conversion 2 AP = 1 STR) - (Feral Attack Power DOES NOT CHANGE into Strength)

Armor contribution from items increased by 100% in Cat, Bear and Dire Bear form (this modifier is additive not multiplier).

+5% parry in cat, bear and dire bear form

-70% lower mana cost with shapeshifting (free SS with Natural Shapeshifter! )

i thought this was a serious discussion

[cryogenic]

i thought this was a serious discussion

Yes but you will notice that they keep upping the % of AP given by savage roar.
It's now up to 40%, because they made ferals do less damage then in TBC from changing their agi scaling and now they are trying to make their damage scale competitively by dumping the biggest self buff going on them.
Most classes have things weaker then this on a 3 min cooldown but the feral core makeup scales that badly they need this up at all times.

[Biral]

Wow, Druids cry more than Paladins do...

Right now the Druid off-tank/MT talent builds (present and WotLK), the only one you will be specced as for raiding (being only there as an offtank/MT and not taken for DPS, more like a benefit to single tank fights), are:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0ZxhGsfboeuioEx0z
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?drui...00000000000000

Your initial suggestions are too overpowered and are missing some key points.

Feral Druids are designed through talents to be melee oriented entirely. You don't wear spellpower gear as a Feral Druid. Wanting immense stat conversion, akin to Heart of the Wild, is entirely out of the question and would only be a remote fantasy of someone wanting to have a Chimera form. In fact, let's do that:

Chimera Form
Requires 60 points in Feral talents
22% of base mana
Instant Cast
Shapeshift into Chimera Form. While in this form the armor contribution from items is increased by 400%, Stamina by 25%, and the mana cost of your healing over time spells is reduced by 20% while all party members within 45 yards have their spell and physical critical strike chance increased by 5% and healing received increased by 25% of your total Spirit. Spell critical strikes in this form have a chance to instantly regenerate 2% of your total mana and physical critical strikes in this form have a chance to instantly regenerate 2% of your total health. The Chimera can cast Balance and Restoration and utilize Cat Form and Bear Form and Dire Bear Form spells and abilities while shapeshifted.
The act of shapeshifting frees the caster of Polymorph and Movement Impairing effects.

There's what you wanted. It'll be in the Feral tree next expansion and will totally make any sort of hybrid spec obsolete in its implementation.

Did I mention you'll have a snake for a tail? That's just downright cool.

[Furo]

Hm quite good suggestion there, but you did not mention the upcoming itemization change.
Example Item:
Chest
700 Armor
50 Str
50 Agi
50 Spi
50 Stam
50 Int
9 Gem-Slots
100 Spellpower

Did I forget anything?

[Puntar]

Sarcasm emote?

There would be no such items in WotLK.

Sure, feral druids are melee oriented then still, weapon except for stat means nothing, while all other melee classes first look, how much pure damage they gain.

Really, don't fud with "this suggestion is OP", as it cannot be experienced in the game. I also find it very irritating and extremely annoying that some classes are allowed to be OP in WotLK beta (pointing to current ret Paladins and Death Knight), while feral druid must be "all the way down" without even a chance to test supposed OP suggestions. Or even to make a suggestion to be "little OP" in beta.

Everywhere I hear, "No way, one class must be a fodder"

Prime rule of MMO games. Fodders are mobs and npcs, player classes (all specs) should BE equal in terms of performance if you want PvP to be a fair game for everybody.

[Herrera]

Actually, the 0 mana cost on shapeshift, is a cool idea. If you think about it, ferals beneift most from shapeshifting.
Resto will be stuck in tree form (armor boost, no more speed penalty, they can cast everything, they can't have bear charge, so they dont need bear form shift).
Balance, they some quite nice buffs while in Moonkin form, they don't need any other form neither to tank, maybe runaway, but really, it's better to stay in Moonkin and CC rather than shapeshift run.
Ferals, bear/cat tanking/dpsing, they need to toss few heals or CC, so they need to shift forms. HOWEVER, there is absolutely 0 int on feral gear right now (ofc this could change). So at the moment, shifting is something really costly. Not to mention the talent to reduce the mana cost is in the resto tree. Yes, the same tree that has a talent to increase feral dps by 10% flat.
My 2 cents.

[Koumaru]

And what other talent would the Feral take to reach OOC and Master Shapeshifter? 3/3

Wow. You can actually fit Master Shapeshifter into a feral build? Congratulations. I sure as hell can't. With the even more bloated feral tree in WotLK, 11 points to reach OoC in Resto is about all I can spare (building mainly for bear and making some kitty sacrifices).

There are now (in beta) too many Feral talents in the Resto tree for a Feral build to spec into them.

[cryogenic]

Furor should be made 2 points natural shifter dropped to tier 1 master shifter tier 2.
many other talents have been altered in such a way like winters chill and empowered frostbolt/fireball.
Not only does this make for points in feral but moonkin as well.
You might say emp frostbolt/fireball and winters chill are deeper frost but these talents are essentially 50 odd points into feral and balance spec.