My Tanking build. Lack of Vigilance.

[Deleted]

Does anyone NOT take vigilance? I Main Tank in a raid guild, and basically live in Heroics when on line and I see lot's of warriors taking this, but i can never see the point of it.

My current build is http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warr...h=000000000000

I don't have a threat issue currently, Either in raids or in aoe tanking and any threat that is misjudged and taken, I don't believe Vigilance would cure that. I mean, I didn't have it before its introduction, why use it now?

I can't help but feel I've missed a trick here, and I can quite happily take a point out of Cruelty to introduce Vigilance but I don't really see what I will gain other than another thing to remember.

Basically, I'm looking for some opinions, not so much on my thoughts of vigilance but more why people take it, and whether or not I should.

[frankster]

Picking up adds @ sartharion - vigilance on MT then your taunt cooldown is refreshed every two seconds so you can pick up whelps/elementals very easily.

Also heroics, if you group with pvetards who can't all attack the same mob without you marking it for them and like to dps too soon, then its worth putting on that nub aoe meleer who always pulls aggro so you can quickly get it back. But in heroics its nothing that the healers can't handle, but it makes it easier when you're doing things like CoS 25 min run.

[Feritas]

I dont exactly understand why you would sacrifice good talents for impale our tanking gear isn't exactly stacked with crit.
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warr...h=000000000000 Is as i see it the perfekt build right now you both get imp demo and an amazing cleave with imp cleave + Incite.. you can AoE tank better than any other tank class by just spammin cleave and TC..

[Tigercat]

You specced Impale? Really?

Here's a hint: Drop that worthless talent, along with the filler you took to get to it. Get Improved Spell Reflect, Max Cruelty(The hilarity of how retarded a spec with impale but not 5 cruelty is amazing), get Vigilance, and put the other two points where you want. I personally vote puncture.

Frankster nailed the best use of Vigilance, but that's not the only one. Go kill Malygos with one or two competant death knights, then come back and tell me that people getting 2-3 stacked sparks whilst you have none doesn't create threat issues.



PS: For Feritas: Any spec without Focused Rage is an immediate failure.

[frankster]

Does anyone NOT take vigilance? I Main Tank in a raid guild, and basically live in Heroics when on line and I see lot's of warriors taking this, but i can never see the point of it.

My current build is http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warr...h=000000000000

Btw this is the spec you should take if you want impale. You sacrifice imp disciplines and 3% block but you have max crit possible and imp HS (which synergises with cruelty and incite and impate as you want to convert your white attacks into critting yellow attacks as much as possible to make the most of impale)

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warr...h=000000000000

I can quite happily take a point out of Cruelty to introduce Vigilance

No. You either take impale and every single crit-related talent or you don't take impale at all.

[rameds]

My build will be like this

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warr...h=000000000000

[Kcaz64]

With 2 points in cruelty and all the +crit% talents you'll have 17% crit before any crit from gear. It is very easy to hit around 22-25% crit with low end gear. Impale is an amazing talent to have. Imp spellreflect/imp diciplines are really PvP skills. (and safeguard is just lol)

[Rambobarbq]

With 2 points in cruelty and all the +crit% talents you'll have 17% crit before any crit from gear. It is very easy to hit around 22-25% crit with low end gear. Impale is an amazing talent to have. Imp spellreflect/imp diciplines are really PvP skills. (and safeguard is just lol)

im sorry but theres raid encoutner that spell refelct work on and tanking a boss with 8% less chance to be hit by is spell is always a good thing when you dont have a dk tank around.

awesome for heroic too.

imp revenge is a joke to take though cant stun in raid most of the stuff

[Deleted]

So to summarise, Vigilance is really useful if you play with dps retards, and a few other encounters. Thanks for this discussion about Vigilance and the avoidance to go off on one about impale and/or revenge. Nice. Fortunately I found another site which was much more help than this one.

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[Rambobarbq]

vigilance reduce dmg taken by the target you select you use it on the MT when your not tanking and voila pretty useful in every situation that your not a retard that think your there to DPS as a tank.

[mordili]

... Imp spellreflect/imp diciplines are really PvP skills. (and safeguard is just lol)

Read the tooltip again.

[frankster]

Imp spellreflect/imp diciplines are really PvP skills. (and safeguard is just lol)

no.

spell reflect is a 5 man / pvp skill
imp disciplines - if you use it on the trash then you can't use it on the boss. so there is some utility having the 4m version beyond pvp. regardless, its useful in 5 mans as well as pvp.
safeguard is useful in a few encounters (grand widow faerlina) though more useful pvp

[Tmbrland]

At least Frank knows what he is talking about.

The IMPALE spec is the ONLY way to go. Yes, he also linked the spec exactly.

Everyone else, try working your specs in regard to ONLY a bossfight... not heroics... or trash...

[Bulletprooff]

There is no point in not taking vigilance if you plan on doing any serious raid tanking. Not because of the move it self being amazing, but because it offers alot of flexibility in raids. There are mountains of differnet uses for it, the most obvious being threat reduction. Other people have already pointed out that there are a few unorthidox uses for the move as well. IMO, there is no active ability from talents in the protection tree worth skipping.

[Mexxe]

imp revenge is a joke to take though cant stun in raid most of the stuff

you dont take imp revenge for the stun, you take it for the 20% damage increase.
since wotlk, revenge and shield slam are the most important tanking abilities, devastate is only there for the debuff. check most threat tables, heroic strike does more than 5stack devastate.

[harbinger]

So to summarise, Vigilance is really useful if you play with dps retards, and a few other encounters. Thanks for this discussion about Vigilance and the avoidance to go off on one about impale and/or revenge. Nice. Fortunately I found another site which was much more help than this one.

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In 25man raids you generally bring 3 tanks. If 2 happen to be prot warriors and you don't have any threat problems then those 2 warriors just vigilance each other. The threat element obviously gets canceled out but both of them gain 3% damage reduction which in my book is awesome. Keep in mind it doesn't stack with BoSanc in case you have a prot paly with you as well.

Btw your attitude sucks, good luck on the "another site which was much more help than this one". I bet its full of idiots that think that impale is awesome because after all warriors are meant to pull serious dps and not be meatshields. buhbai.

[heerobya]

The way for a protection warrior to do more damage and see more big flashy numbers is NOT to get impale, you have to sacrifice too much to get it (wasted talent points)

the way to get more damage/bigger numbers is to stack block and strength/AP.

Slam effected by AP thus by Stength and soo much of it by block value, again more stength same with our damage shield.

Pro tip: Best way to increase your threat generation and damage done is strength.

[Deleted]

In 25man raids you generally bring 3 tanks. If 2 happen to be prot warriors and you don't have any threat problems then those 2 warriors just vigilance each other. The threat element obviously gets canceled out but both of them gain 3% damage reduction which in my book is awesome. Keep in mind it doesn't stack with BoSanc in case you have a prot paly with you as well.

Btw your attitude sucks, good luck on the "another site which was much more help than this one". I bet its full of idiots that think that impale is awesome because after all warriors are meant to pull serious dps and not be meatshields. buhbai.

My question was nothing to do with impale at all, if i choose to spec impale then i spec impale, my question was the worth of vigilance as a talent as i didnt see a point in taking it as i have no threat issue at the moment. However if i was missing a trick with vigilance then i would rethink my talents.

I clearly stated that, go on read my OP, i never asked once about impale. I ask a question about vigilance, and i get name called and insulted because i took impale.

My dps is completely irrelivent, i never stated once that i wanted to do more dps, so lets get over that. the other site i mention, actually answered my question (some of the posts here also did) as to why i should take vigilance. If you must know, I choose impale as a test spec, since i notice i crit a fair amount, and guess what Crit = damage and damage = threat, where i come on the dmg meters is irrelvent to me. I'm playing around with specs, but i fail to see what this as to do with me wondering if Vigilance as a place in my final build.

[heerobya]

It's too good of a talent to NOT take for 1 point.

1 point.

In garauntees you more threat, and garauntees less threat from one of your highest DPS.

Or it garauntees higher threat for the MT, or a 3% damage reduction for BOTH MT and OT.

All that, and a free Taunt if the jackoff pulls aggro anyway.

All that, for 1 talent point.

1...

Take it.

[fuzzywuzzy]

ITT: OP is an idiot for taking impale and not 5/5 cruelty, and no vigilance.