57/3/11 if u tried it then tell wat do u think about it

[Nym]

well this could go back and forth but ill say this and being a mage for a long long time and trying every spec under the sun doing naxx with ffb and with arcane. Arcane seems to require a bit more practice and smarts to get it to work right but if done right the overall power is just incredible

its new its different top raiders arnt happy that people are competing with them with crappier gear and there to stubborn to try it out not all but some. Yes i know FFB is good and yes it can beat Arc probably 2 to 1 but i think with practice and time Arc in the long run is the winner. But time will tell

[Ajaxthegreat]

Friends account got hacked after he posted his server and name over a few message boards for spec details. So I try not to do it =/

/facepalm

And Arcane is better DPS when properly specced, played, and geared. You not realizing that the gearing between Arcane and FFB is different won't change that. Deal with it.

[Champloo]

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Just quickly looked through some WWS reports starting at the 23rd.

Arcane does great damage for most people. When you're pulling 6k dps+ with FFB, you're not going to see an increase from arcane because, at that point, your gear is almost fully optimized to FFB, whilst 1/2-1/3 optimized for arcane.

If you aren't at the top gear level for FFB, re-spec to arcane. If you are, raid as FFB and begin acquiring pieces for Arcane that will be optimized(use Rawr).

[forneus]

Nope not twelve, I'm 20. I honestly think people aren't playing their FFB specs right. I am doing more dps as FFB than Arcane during raids. Getting the same input from a lot of Mages on my server.

Friends account got hacked after he posted his server and name over a few message boards for spec details. So I try not to do it =/

I imagine Arcane doing tons of dps in perfect conditions, but if you check all the speed runs on WoW web stats (make sure you check the dates after Arcane was buffed) almost every single Mage doing top dps in their raid is specced FFB. I've got a feeling Arcane is the new Burning Crusade Affliction, does the most dps at lower gear levels and in small instances. But in big raids FFB (BC Destruction) is by far better when scaled with gear.

finally some explanation if I'm not wrong, besides this wat u said, u just like FFB more than arcane and u know wat, IMO it's better to stay FFB for ya, cuz for example I couldn't wait for arcane to get buffed cuz I hated to play FFB, just didn't like fire, that's all, although my dps was high, I just wanted to be arcane. U see the thing is that if u like something rly rly much, then u may be more efficient than rest playing in this other spec(now arcane), if u find class and spec that fits u best in this game, just stick to it, u will play betta, although calculations say that no, I must say that I've seen just few ppl who played their class, their spec -> they played way better although rest is like ?? at them, if I'm right in this wat I've just said, please answer xD

such spec for me is frost in pvp, I mean I don't think about this wat I do, I play just naturally, like I would be frost since always and it just goes perfect <.< and gives me alot of fun also

[Manky]

I am NOT a mage. But as a raider I like to keep informed of some of the top raid spec and top damage specs. When I heard the patch notes launched on the PTR, I came up with this build for a friend. http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?mage...h=041819080601

He is not 80 yet but I see that many people are posting on this 57/3/11 spec which has the basic same idea of blowing hard for 2 minutes, evocate, rinse, and repeat.

My question is. With such a high crit rate, would MoE not allow you to blow harder with less worry about mana management?

The problem in this spec, i think arcane missiles crit dont counter for MoE.

[Malentra]

In a 10 man run last night I was pulling around 5k dps on tank'n'spank&#160; bosses (Patch, Razuvious, etc.)&#160; when lag settled.&#160; I'm looking forward to the 25-man on Tuesday or Wednesday so I can see if I can approach the non-RNG dependent 5.5-6k dps some are getting.

I've found the effectiveness of the spec vs. FFB is dependent on the stability of my ping so I can get off consistent "Blaster Combos". If I'm getting ~70-80% off, I'll easily lead the damage meters. If I'm missing most of them, I'll be around the 4-4.5k range.

For me, its definitely more fun to play than FFB.

[Tanen]

I love this spec.. i have been a Stubborn frost mage for the longest time. To the point where i did frost with crit instead of haste. but my DPS wasn't bad was pulling 3k ish dps with 4 peice T7.5 which compared to other mage specs is low on totem pole but better than other classes. Anyways .. here are the reasons i love this spec and some changes i made to the arcane portion of the tree. i was seeing 4.5k dps just from changing specs... i kept all the same gear and got rid of a little hit cause i was 3% over cap switching to spec. only one con i found

first the control over you dps is incredible.. by adding , "up to three" or reducing , "minimum of one" AB you can control your mana pool and your dps fairly well .

second i find it a great challenge to try to end a boss fight the exact time i Go OOM . which means i have no potions or anything up and every thing is blown when the boss hits the floor.

The rotation is Easier than frost.. there are more buttons to press, but i dont; have to maximize between FOF and BF. this spec is pretty straight forward and MBarr + ABarr combos takes a bit of practice to get the timming on it but once you do .. it is so Easy

The only con i find with this spec. is you need a Frost or fire mage in group to give you the winters chill or imp Scor. which is fine cause FFB mages <3 focus magic ..

i put two points into student of the mind for some mp5 and don;t use molten armor glyph .. i went with mage armor glyph .. and still put out some top notch DPS .. to help with mana control ...

[Odina]

It was a pain in the ass regeming regyphing and using badges / rep to buy new gear where the old FFB bis items fell really short!

However after testing it out for a week now I realise Arcane is amazing dps if you go all out for it! Simply respecking wont give you the OMG huge increase! some may think it will give them but when you start to get the gear for arc at teh same lvl as your ffb gear you see how good arc really is!


My .02 if you want to compare 2 specks make sure you got the gear to compare them both! Having gimp gear for one spec that is awsome for another is only setting up one speck to fail no matter what!

[cptrugged]

I have a mage buddy in my guild that was sad to leave Arcane for FFB. I'd love to give some info on this spec. One thing I haven't seen is what the stat priority is. I'm sure its Hit to cap > ? > ? Did I see haste being the big priority 2 stat after hit?

[Deleted]

talking glyphs here...glyph of molten armour, arcane blast and what for the 3rd slot?

[Champloo]

I have a mage buddy in my guild that was sad to leave Arcane for FFB. I'd love to give some info on this spec. One thing I haven't seen is what the stat priority is. I'm sure its Hit to cap > ? > ? Did I see haste being the big priority 2 stat after hit?

1 Spell Power = 1 dps
1 Haste = .8 dps
1 Crit = .57 dps
1 Int = .4 dps

Hit cap is very, very low if using the 57/3/11

[Ragex]

Love the spec. Always top dps, no mana issues, nice rotations.

[afkalmighty]

I am NOT a mage. But as a raider I like to keep informed of some of the top raid spec and top damage specs. When I heard the patch notes launched on the PTR, I came up with this build for a friend. http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?mage...h=041819080601

He is not 80 yet but I see that many people are posting on this 57/3/11 spec which has the basic same idea of blowing hard for 2 minutes, evocate, rinse, and repeat.

My question is. With such a high crit rate, would MoE not allow you to blow harder with less worry about mana management?

arcane's biggest damage modifyer and mana sink is the stacked AB's

Now, the problem with MoE is that it refunds the mana cost of AB non-stacked no matter how much stacks of the debuff you have