3.1 Holy spec, into prot or retri?

[nibhans]

Hello fellow Holies

I've seen a lot of holy paladins speccing for Sanctity of Battle in the retribution tree. I've been thinking speccing into the protection. Going 51/20/0, speccing for Divine Sacrifice/Divine Guardian and Improved Devotion Aura. I know that Protection paladins should take this and therefore it often already is in the raid, but when the protection paladin aren't participating the raid it will be usefull i think.
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...2&version=9767

What do you think?

[newo]

I dont think that protection paladins should take Devine Sacrifice.

[Shwaam]

Well, in my opinion, that specc is usefull in 10-man and in dungeons. I would specc 51/5/15 for raids due to more crit from the retribution-tree.

[ZerOne]

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sxAzgMbsVu0tgdxGzmb For prot as an "heal & absorb" spec, probably preferable for Ulduar hard modes.
or
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sxAzg0osVu0tgdZVcbxbh For retri as an "crit & run" spec, probably preferable for learning Uludar.

[apokteino]

I dont think that protection paladins should take Devine Sacrifice.

ummm wtf are you smoking?

[Xs]

I personally wouldn't spec it, just because I don't feel its worth all the stuff you're losing from Ret


Prot doesn't have to take DS, its more of an OT thing, if that

[apokteino]

prot pallies are rarely MTs. it's only one point and you would only be able to use it once an attempt anyhow. i think a prot pally can manage to find 12 seconds during a 6-8 minute encounter to use it. actually i can't think of a single encounter so far where he wouldn't be able to.

[Xs]

If your Prot Pallys aren't MTing then your guild doesn't know about their mechanics

[apokteino]

the mechanics that make them the best offtanks on multiple targets in the game?

[Raiss]

and what about the mechanis that make them the best single target-threat tank in the game?

and unholy dks are far better for off-tanking multiple targets.

[apokteino]

and what about the mechanis that make them the best single target-threat tank in the game?

and unholy dks are far better for off-tanking multiple targets.

no and no. but even if i were to agree with you on that... does that mean they wouldn't be able to put 1 point in DS or that they wouldn't find some point in the enocunter that they could use it?

[drlawyer]

A tough question - for me, the new prot talent "Divinity" seems like a must have (5% more healing across the board for 5 points is nice). That already starts you into the prot tree, and puts Sanctity of Battle out of reach (assuming you are speccing for Beacon... which is kind of a must have). So, there is your quandry - do I spend 18 points in ret for 8% more crit (and pick up a 3% crit buff for the raid along the way) or snag 5% more overall healing and settle for 5% crit in ret.

First off, consider which is better - 3% crit or 5% heals. (it's 5% heals or 3% crit, because you can still get down to 5/5 conviction, even investing 5 pts in Divinity). 5% heals is, well, 5% heals. 3% crit is 1.5% more heals and 1.2% less mana used. I vote 5% heals, because I find intellect stacking still yields a lot of crit AND mana - plus, this frees me up to use Glyph of Seal of Wisdom instead of Light, and that allows me to save 5% mana anyway. But those are the numbers to consider for yourself.

I run a 51/5/15 build (http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc...00000000000000) and have considered dropping out of the ret tree and speccing down to 51/20/0 in prot (something like http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc...00000000000000) because the Divine Guardian talent was so useful on the S3D fight and the Ulduar fights appear to involve a lot of spikey, raid-wide damage. I do NOT like the way they have broken Divine Guardian into a multi-tiered talent independent of the bubble, because to realistically use this talent you will have to bubble to survive - so using it now requires another macro or an added keystroke, and I don't readily see the point.

One thing to consider - if you are running with a resto druid (and you undoubtedly will be most of the time, I assume), the healing bonus from Imp Dev Aura overwrites the Tree of Life Aura - so I wouldn't go out of my way for the Imp Dev aura, especially since a prot pally will undoubtedly have this talent anyway.

[drlawyer]

^^ holy text batman

LOL - if that was too much to absorb at once, perhaps a less complicated class is better for you. May I suggest a DK or rogue?

[Alenko]

the mechanics that make them the best offtanks on multiple targets in the game?

the mechanics that make us out threat anything single target?

[rafein]

I spec into ret. Right now, I'm at 51/5/15, but I'm probably gonna drop 3 points outta Divinity for 3% more crit, so 51/2/18 is where I'm going to try. Sill a small boost to healing power, but good crit is good sustainability.

[rafein]

I dont think that protection paladins should take Devine Sacrifice.

I would rather have Protect going for Divine Sac to ge to Divine Guardian. Since Blizz boosted the scaling from talents that boost spellpower, the boost to Sacred Shield is worth it. Ret and Protect should be responsible for keeping Sacred Shield up on themselves at all times. Holy can only have 1 Sacred Shield. Never waste it on a fellow Paladin that is too lazy to take care of themselves.

[Arwyn]

This is the spec I'm using (51/2/18) for PvE:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sxA0gM0sVu0tgdbZVcbx0h

As for PvP I'm using (50/1/20):

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sxAdxhMsVuhtMZoZVcbxbh

[evilrock]

the mechanics that make us out threat anything single target?

Try a 37/0/34 warrior spamming Revenge.

[Siggebo]

As for PvP I'm using (50/1/20):

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sxAdxhMsVuhtMZoZVcbxbh

1 pt Divinity seems sorta stupid to me to be honest.

[jst1998]

I think this spec is the way to go:

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...3&version=9767

Only 5 pts in prot for Divinity, the rest into ret to pick up Conviction, because 5% crit accross the board is big for holy pallys.