vindacation change so ret can kill healers?

[RPGfan251]

so i was talking to a friend of mine and about changing vindacation

make it kind like the fury ms each pt has a higher chance to put a debuff but it would reduce heals cast by 50% (5stacked) 10% per stack

that way ret could have a unique ms and not everyone could qq cause its only reallly viable on healers maybe toss a reduce magic damage effect on there but i think thatd make it op if it was up a majority of the time

also move it far down the tree as well

[Lent]

we dont need every class to have all other classes abilities, ok there has to be a palance, but at the same time there has to be a point to classes.

if pallies had MS, why would anyone need a warrior?

and before the bitchin starts, i am a pally

[alkaholik]

rets asking for sum bufs?
i haz LOL!

[Shakrah]

Ret paladins do double damage, so they don't need a healing debuff.

[Swiftz]

Because most other dps class are able to 1v1 healers atm...

Because ret obviously need help by adding an extra MS to their brutal damage and tons of utilities...

...oh wait, don't talk class balance with your uneducated friends ^^

[slrockin04]

I agree, before they give us the MS buff then give every1 else a freakin bubble haha. I like the idea of having a debuff but.. I got bubble, i can bubble my partner from melee dmg, and I got arcane torrent so HoJ+silence= a good chance already...

[Adamson]

[size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt]lol

Unique because it "stacks"






















[size=6pt](rogue ms and fury warrior MS stacks)

[yuzm]

you aren't serious, are you?

[gringo]

never ever ask for a ret pvp buff.

the only answer you will get is along these lines:

LOL
OP
FACEROLL
RETARD
NERF

[Heidenreich]

Honestly, a debuff kinda like what they "accidently" released for Crusader Strike would of been sweet. I mean a debuff that reduces any cast by 50% of it's power would of been cool. It would of been "like" Mortal Strike and Aim Shot, yet still completely different. Mortal Strike doesn't effect the damage on a Spell Cast where this would of, so it would of still been kind of unique.

But as for issues or needing a buff to kill a healer. I have to say the most infamous line of the internet "Learn to play". I'm a Ret Paladin. Have been for a long time (well before WotLK was even announced) and I have zero problems killing a healer, well other then a Resto Druid and even then if they are stupid enough to go caster form, I destroy them.

It's seriously just knowing what kind of healer you are up against, forcing them to blow their CDs and then blowing your's when their's are up.

[Shimo]

Honestly, a debuff kinda like what they "accidently" released for Crusader Strike would of been sweet. I mean a debuff that reduces any cast by 50% of it's power would of been cool. It would of been "like" Mortal Strike and Aim Shot, yet still completely different. Mortal Strike doesn't effect the damage on a Spell Cast where this would of, so it would of still been kind of unique.

But as for issues or needing a buff to kill a healer. I have to say the most infamous line of the internet "Learn to play". I'm a Ret Paladin. Have been for a long time (well before WotLK was even announced) and I have zero problems killing a healer, well other then a Resto Druid and even then if they are stupid enough to go caster form, I destroy them.

It's seriously just knowing what kind of healer you are up against, forcing them to blow their CDs and then blowing your's when their's are up.

No, Mortal Strike doesnt but overpower does. You didnt dream of this idea or came up with it, you just forgot that you've been reading it somewhere. Your skill wouldnt be unique :>.

[PetoX]

oh com'on, it was just an idea, nobody said its going to come in next patch

I played PvP retri a lot, I was angry about every single healer in opposite faction team/group/raid so I reroll to holy and I am happy to bring some warm time to enemies(hidding in some places healing undisturbed, helping flag carriers etc) and I like it much more than trying to beat down healers
I'm only disapointed that holy paladin has only 2dmg spells in PvP(judgement, holy shock)

[Templar]

I've not really PvP'd much with my Paladin as much as I have with my warrior but still find healers killable. Tree druid probably being the most pain because you can't use repentance on them unless you catch them in caster form.

[jjonj]

Hehe... it would appear that all you in favor of this, havent tried killing a healer as ret pre-wotlk.
Its soo easy now, just click the buttons that arent on cooldown and they die eventually.

[Xs]

This MS isn't unique, its just old school would poison for ret

The most they'll ever give us without removing bubble or our easy burst is something like Troll Priests used to have in their curse, 20% debuff just to help a bit

Also its pretty easy to kill a healer, if you can either catch them casting with Hammer or catch them on ~70% then you can burst most of them down
And you can do that every 40 seconds, rather than them countering it every 2m

[Seamless]

Actually, paladin forums two years ago sugested this at official wow europe forums, the crusader strike idea. But like anything else paladins have ever asked for it was given to death knights or warriors. Tbh if you look through the history of wow-europe paladin forums you can find half the skills the death knight has, sugested to fix paladins back then.
Most be a easy job really, read forums copy the ideas from there in stead giving them to other classes, usually FOTM classes.

In stead they gave even more burst which in the end will be negated by resilience/nerfs leaving paladins gimped unless they spec holy regretting they didn't roll a priest or a warrior, again. Like always.

/bow

[Requital]

Yes in the 1200 Arena Rating bracket or cesspool of a battle ground you can eventually kill a bad healer.

In the 2300 bracket that is not the case it requires more then just spamming buttons. Our interrupt being attached to HoJ was simply retarded and Justice is the single most useless snare type effect in the game and was only useful for sprinting rogues and rocket boots and we know where rocket boots are now. Just give us a real snare or a gap closer and I'll figure out a way to kill a healer but with the nerf to Freedom I fear for my ratings.

[iktankniet]

why not make exorcism a melee strike on 15sec that can interupt...

[Jutteri]

imo if ret gets interupt it should be like glyph of exorcism was. Give it a interupt / silence but take the whole damage off.

[Merander]

so i was talking to a friend of mine and about changing vindacation

make it kind like the fury ms each pt has a higher chance to put a debuff but it would reduce heals cast by 50% (5stacked) 10% per stack

that way ret could have a unique ms and not everyone could qq cause its only reallly viable on healers maybe toss a reduce magic damage effect on there but i think thatd make it op if it was up a majority of the time

also move it far down the tree as well

i lol