Holy paladin the only healer without dmg spells?

[PetoX]

I was just wandering why holy paladin doesn't have any dmging spells (druids have wrath, starfire; priest shadow words, mind blast, smite; shamans have shocks, lighting bolts etc)
Holy paladin has only judgement, consecration, exorcism(PvE only) and holy shock(talented) so its impossible to make some quest while in holy specc. I'm playing PvP mainly but if I want to do some quests while waiting in queue I have to respec to retri. It's easier now with dual spec but it's still annoying.

What do you think about holy paladin not being able to kill few mobs without respec?

And one more thing, why are all seals customised for melee? For example: Seal of Wisdom giving each melee attack a chance to restore 4% of the paladin's maximum mana?
As paladin can have casting specc(holy) it would be better like this: Seal of Wisdom giving each melee attack OR SPELL CAST a chance to restore 4% of the paladin's maximum mana (it could be less than 4% if it is OP, but customising it for casting will be great).

[Kairu]

Holy shock
Judgement of X
Exorcism
Consecration
ShoR works as well as holy.

Thats just fine to kill mobs, granted, you won't be as fast as others, true, but it just just fine on its own, and you can aoe grind like a mofo.

[kungfumonkey]

I think holy pallys do just fine dishing out the damage mate.. I lvld 70 - 80 as holy spec no problems.
True it may have been quicker as ret but i was happily soloing most 3 man group quests and even the odd 5 man.

[Deleted]

I'm a bit confused here as I still haven't come across any mobs I haven't been able to kill or quest I couln't complete as holy.

[Alienganja]

Because what we all need is more damage being done by holy paladins, because that's what they're specced for right?

Nty, I think I'm happy right now only getting raped 2 out of 3 specs of paladins.

[iktankniet]

dual spec ftw dude

[Eurytos]

how is dual spec annoying? other than the mana loss, which can be filled with divine plea, or a consumable. wasn't this the whole point of dual spec? i wouldn't trade full mana loss to go back to paying 50g to respec everytime i wanted to kill something a little bit faster.

cmon now man, i understand wanting to keep the inconviences of your spec to a minimum but dual spec is the answer here. it takes a few secs to switch and a few more to fill mana.

[Nikoll]

i know at 70 i could rape most people and mobs as holy. so, i really dont know what your issue is.

[PetoX]

ok, edit: I don't like other healers in PvP having their spell power based spells all with them, they can heal they can kill, while paladin is pure heal in this case

[PetoX]

how is dual spec annoying?

It's a little annoying, it's my opinion, imagine the situation: you are outside BG, you respecc in 2sec, refill mana, kill 5-6mobs and have to respecc back as another BG is starting in a sec.
As I see all your replies I'm taking back some words from my first post in this topic. We can kill mobs as holy and dual specc is great option to do it faster without spending money. :

[PetoX]

Because what we all need is more damage being done by holy paladins, because that's what they're specced for right?

I don't mean it this way, I mean that holy paladins should have some dmg just like any other healing class, not as powerful as it is in dmging specc. That's all.

Peace ♥

[Trishot]

And one more thing, why are all seals customised for melee? For example: Seal of Wisdom giving each melee attack a chance to restore 4% of the paladin's maximum mana?
As paladin can have casting specc(holy) it would be better like this: Seal of Wisdom giving each melee attack OR SPELL CAST a chance to restore 4% of the paladin's maximum mana (it could be less than 4% if it is OP, but customising it for casting will be great).

Wait, so you want Holy Paladins to have EVEN MORE mana regen? Isn't Divine Plea, Illumination and a huge mana pool (in PvE) enough? Blizz isn't happy with Paladins avoiding MP5 like the plague (it's just to sucky) because crit/haste/int is to good, making SoW give mana on spell cast would be horribly OP.

[telemain]

Wait, so you want Holy Paladins to have EVEN MORE mana regen? Isn't Divine Plea, Illumination and a huge mana pool (in PvE) enough? Blizz isn't happy with Paladins avoiding MP5 like the plague (it's just to sucky) because crit/haste/int is to good, making SoW give mana on spell cast would be horribly OP.

While you're right about giving us more mana regen being a stupid idea, maybe this would be an interesting way to change it around to make mp5 more appealing. Maybe nerf illumination and make seal of wisdom give a chance of giving 50% of your mp5 as mana back on spell cast (numbers pulled directly from ass, just an example) That could lower/fix our mana regen while making mp5 more appealing as well.

[Craz]

It's a little annoying, it's my opinion, imagine the situation: you are outside BG, you respecc in 2sec, refill mana, kill 5-6mobs and have to respecc back as another BG is starting in a sec.

You can respec and queue for BGs out in the world.. (don't have to be in city) and you are crying?

[Dartanyon]

It's a little annoying, it's my opinion, imagine the situation: you are outside BG, you respecc in 2sec, refill mana, kill 5-6mobs and have to respecc back as another BG is starting in a sec.
As I see all your replies I'm taking back some words from my first post in this topic. We can kill mobs as holy and dual specc is great option to do it faster without spending money. :

If you only have time to kill 5-6 mobs between BG's then you shouldn't be grinding in the first place while queued. Not to mention even if you respec Preparation in BG and arena fills your health and mana.

[Varaben]

I think holy pallys do just fine dishing out the damage mate.. I lvld 70 - 80 as holy spec no problems.
True it may have been quicker as ret but i was happily soloing most 3 man group quests and even the odd 5 man.

all the pally specs can do that. i solod everything up to 80 as ret with no problems. Also, paladins are supposed to be melee/heal hybrid, not caster/heal hybrid. Priests have spells because they are the latter, same with druids and shaman.

[Unholyground]

Holy Bolt: Deals x amount of dmg to targets, and heals x amount to friendly target 2 sec cast. Next expansion ENJOY

[Crixs]

Holy can do some decient damage when its needed while keeping themselves alive...

Such as the insanely long arena match i had with my pally... kiting around a frost mage while whacking him with holy shock and judge till he died...

[slrockin04]

Holy Bolt: Deals x amount of dmg to targets, and heals x amount to friendly target 2 sec cast. Next expansion ENJOY

rofl that would be soo dope!

[Tiristan04]

Wait, so you want Holy Paladins to have EVEN MORE mana regen? Isn't Divine Plea, Illumination and a huge mana pool (in PvE) enough? Blizz isn't happy with Paladins avoiding MP5 like the plague (it's just to sucky) because crit/haste/int is to good, making SoW give mana on spell cast would be horribly OP.

Mp5 is bad cause replenishment and BoW gives you all the mp5 needed for pve. replenishment adds about 400mp5 to paladins with high mana pools.