So come summer, im gonna start playing my Paladin again...

[somekidnameddon]

Im going to start off by getting my epic flying (im at like 3600g)

After, im going to get dual spec. My main spec will be a retadin, and my dual spec will be a healadin. The retadin will be used for PvE and the healadin for PvP

Ive come up with these two builds myself, and suggestions?

Ret PvE: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...4&version=9947

Holy PvP:
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...3&version=9947

any rearangements?

[kailtas]

try this ret pve specc

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...4&version=9947

the prot talents rly doesn't mather as long as u get divine sacrefice

[somekidnameddon]

Why would i want to take damage as a ret paladin? That seems usless when it come to DPS in a PVE enviroment

[DaGhostDS]

Why would i want to take damage as a ret paladin? That seems usless when it come to DPS in a PVE enviroment

trust me boss aoe a lot
and you should always have sacred shield on for :
A- absorb aoe dmg to remove pressure on your heal
B- absorb seal of blood/martyr after A- if it didnt fully use the shield
c- afk in the tunnel before Gluth yes it absorb all or almost all :P
D- its 1min!
E- Divine sacrifice boosted to save your group against evil aoe!

[somekidnameddon]

:P i ment i want Ret in PVE not PVP, so thats my bad, why would i want to take damage in a PVE environment, i could see if it was pvp but...

so to clear it up

i want a good Ret PvE build
and
a good healing PvP build

any help please?

[Marvdatboi]

http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t53532-3...aladin_thread/

Should definitely be something you view.

For PVE you want something like this.... Especially for Ulduar

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sZErz...uhdIfsu:0aomc0

[somekidnameddon]

ok, i read it over, and i guess that ill go with that spec for my Ret PvE build.

Now can someone point me in a nice healing paladin build that will be used for pvp?

[auxioruben]

PVE ret pally specs seem to have a lot of extra points left over. Many pve rets will go down in the prot tree to get divine sac and divine guardian. This choice is purely for raid utility rather than DPS(however, you can get every single DPS increasing talent and still get Divine Guardian...you pretty much a choice between this and pvp talents)

As for using divine sacrifice, you'll want have a macro to pop DS and then pop bubble(otherwise you will die). Good times to use it are any time there's a lot of aoe dmg and you want to help the healers. Possible times you could use it are: XT tantrum, Iron Council when Stormcaller flies up in the air, frozen blows on Hodir, anytime on mimiron. This is just ulduar, there are also many places you can use it in naxx, maly, etc. Just be aware that you will be losing DPS when you do this because of the bubble penalty.

As far as PVE ret goes, a build with DS is far better than taking deflection, eye for an eye, and vindication as you have in your original build.