Guess what? Another Ret pala pvp hotfix nerf!

[Palatinus]

We are in the process of completing a hotfix that could go live as early as this afternoon that will make the Paladin talent Vindication no longer reduce Intelligence or Stamina from the target it is applied to. The talent will continue to reduce Agility, Spirit, and Strength as it currently does. We felt this change will help balance the ability out, especially in the lower arena brackets where they are very prominent, while not being a negative impact on a Retribution Paladin’s PvE dps.

Once this hotfix is live, the tooltip will be incorrect until we can update it in the next content patch.

Great!

I can understand the int removal, since it effectively mana burnt you if you dispelled it, but the stam nerf? It just got harder for ret paladins to kill healers, just what they needed >.<

Update:

In other words you find it in your best interest to eliminate Ret from the arena bracket as quickly as possible. Trash company listening to trash players, Why with Ret is it always a hotfix for any other class it's ok to let them dominate an entire arena season?

Increasingly it felt like someone playing against a Ret-Pally really only had 60% of their health bar because Vindication took away 20% from the start and then Hammer of Wrath kicked in when they had 20% left. This change was something we could confidently hotfix and would have a minimal to no impact on the PvE side of things.

Yeah because hammer kills anything at 20% right?? Even if it crits i've seen people survive it. Saying people only had 60% health isn't very mathematical is it?

[Ranishka]

Great!

I can understand the int removal, since it effectively mana burnt you if you dispelled it, but the stam nerf? It just got harder for ret paladins to kill healers, just what they needed >.<

Fuck Blizz, yeah!

[justfight]

enough nerfs is enough!!

do they get paid to nerf paladins or something?

[Basutai]

Logic-defying nerf defies logic.

The irony, and stupidity of this, is that this is probably a month or so before the reported change to balance ret out in a thorough, thoughtful, and meaningful manner.

I can see my arena rating dropping as I type...

[Kawasaki.gdm]

OMG!

This cant be true, what they wanna do to us in PVP? They really want LOLRET back.

We already cant kill healers, with this change we will only kill 15k health healers with no resil (and will still be hard if they trinket HoJ).


As said before, isnt funny anymore.

[tjanson]

We felt this change will help balance the ability out, especially in the lower arena brackets where they are very prominent, while not being a negative impact on a Retribution Paladin’s PvE dps.

Does anyone know if he means "lower brackets" as in lower ratings? Because if they made this change for people in the 1500s... really guys? Really?

[conscript]

We felt this change will help balance the ability out, especially in the lower arena brackets where they are very prominent.

That is my favorite part of the quote. Why do they think Ret Paladins are so prominent in low rated brackets? Leave the poor Paladins alone.

[Palatinus]

Logic-defying nerf defies logic.

The irony, and stupidity of this, is that this is probably a month or so before the reported change to balance ret out in a thorough, thoughtful, and meaningful manner.

I can see my arena rating dropping as I type...

The reported change, do you think its still coming?

This was posted a week ago now:

In general, we're feeling pretty good about class balance right now. Paladins and Death Knights have undergone many changes and are far more balanced now than they were prior to 3.1. We might need to make a few more minor tweaks to Death Knights and Retribution Paladins, but we do not foresee any major class balance changes for these classes coming in patch 3.2.

I guess this is that 'minor tweak' they were talking about? Whens the minor tweak for dks coming so they can't do 8k frost strikes or removing they're ranged silence and melee interrupt so they can't kill healers too.

[DaGhostDS]

all i have to say is lotro is great! :P

[Palatinus]

Update:

In other words you find it in your best interest to eliminate Ret from the arena bracket as quickly as possible. Trash company listening to trash players, Why with Ret is it always a hotfix for any other class it's ok to let them dominate an entire arena season?

Increasingly it felt like someone playing against a Ret-Pally really only had 60% of their health bar because Vindication took away 20% from the start and then Hammer of Wrath kicked in when they had 20% left. This change was something we could confidently hotfix and would have a minimal to no impact on the PvE side of things.

Yeah because hammer kills anything at 20% right?? Even if it crits i've seen people survive it. Saying people only had 60% health isn't very mathematical is it?

I'm sure there were many other changes they could of done rather than this ridiculous hotfix....AGAIN

[justfight]

why bother with the ppl in the lower brackets (if they mean low rated ppl)
they better do something about tree/warrior or rogue priest who are dominant into the higher ratings.

they just laugh if they see a ret in the oppsoing team

[Flaeske]

Why all the whining? Please... It's not only ret pals that are having a hard time 1v1 against a healer. But what I don't see, is why pals are whining that much? As I have been reading, blizz says that some specs are better for pvp than others, holy is great for pvp, guess thats your spec? Really, take a look at other classes, like elemental shamans and shadow priests? Ok, elemental shamans have some nuke, but get close to them, and they are dead...

Haven't you just been to used to be able to kill everyone in the stun, if their trinket isn't ready? And if it is, pop your wings, and the target will be dead anyways. Ret pals are still one of the best classes for PvP imo. Even after this nerf. The target might not die in the stun, but a few seconds after the stun...

[Melonberry]

Maybe ret isn't suppozed to be the rock to healer's scissors.

[Palatinus]

holy is great for pvp, guess thats your spec?

You sure about that!?

For one, HOLY isn't great for pvp, otherwise why would the top builds be full prot or 3x/0/3x to heal in pvp? That sounds great!

Haven't you just been to used to be able to kill everyone in the stun, if their trinket isn't ready? And if it is, pop your wings, and the target will be dead anyways. Ret pals are still one of the best classes for PvP imo. Even after this nerf. The target might not die in the stun, but a few seconds after the stun...

Your talking 1v1 right? 2v2/3v3/5v5 there are so many different things that change the whole, 'stun and then they die right?' situation. They only have to do one heal against us to get to full health again...and that can be either them or their partner.

[justfight]

Why all the whining? Please... It's not only ret pals that are having a hard time 1v1 against a healer. But what I don't see, is why pals are whining that much? As I have been reading, blizz says that some specs are better for pvp than others, holy is great for pvp, guess thats your spec? Really, take a look at other classes, like elemental shamans and shadow priests? Ok, elemental shamans have some nuke, but get close to them, and they are dead...

Haven't you just been to used to be able to kill everyone in the stun, if their trinket isn't ready? And if it is, pop your wings, and the target will be dead anyways. Ret pals are still one of the best classes for PvP imo. Even after this nerf. The target might not die in the stun, but a few seconds after the stun...

aparently you are full blue geared with <15k hp getting killed by ret pallies in bg's in a single stun.
a shielded priest or a hotted druid(with gear) still has somewhere 60-90% hp after the stun

[santigold]

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please. you paladins are attacking stupid in here. it is hands down one of the best classes in the game. not happy with your ret? then build a half tank half holy set and go dominate the brackets and silence healers with your shield and let your dps kill them 25 seconds into the fight. stop being babies.

considering how lazy you all are in raids and don't buff people properly you all deserve this and i say even more nerfs.

Round the angry mobs people, We got a cry to yell!!

"MORE PALADIN NERFS MORE PALADIN NERFS!"

ok i'm done. but yea. you guys are lame to think this ZOMFG ruins your pvp skill. perhaps.... L.....2... play????

[Flaeske]

aparently you are full blue geared with <15k hp getting killed by ret pallies in bg's in a single stun.
a shielded priest or a hotted druid(with gear) still has somewhere 60-90% hp after the stun

Hmm, nope, I'm the ret pal killing ppl in the stun...

[Assist]

try 1v1 as shaman, then come back and whine some moar!

pala whine is giving me the creeps!

[Adamson]

Good thing I already got my shoulders.

[Swaagie]

^ idd mehehe

Then there are tards, retards, and people named flaeske...

Anyways, this is epic:

We felt this change will help balance the ability out, especially in the lower arena brackets where paladins are very prominent

Just omg, speechless...

About the people that apperently play other classes: saying ret will be fixed, then to nerf it even more, is bound to get cries...