Ret paladin PTR questions

[Ronark]

Post any Ret PTR questions you have below. I have some saved data from Target Dummies and will be running a Heroic or two soon to gather some data. I'll answer any reasonable questions the best I can

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[Astray]

Question:
Have Crusader-strikes mana costs been lowered?
Is JotW enough without T7-4 Bonus?

[Ascal]

I can answer the Crusader strike question:

No. The mana cost has not been lowered yet. Without raid buffs and with SoV you can sustain a dps rotation for about 3 minutes.
edit: tested without 4p t7 bonus.

Question: Has SoC lost it's auto-crit on stun component?

[Requital]

I can answer the Crusader strike question:

No. The mana cost has not been lowered yet. Without raid buffs and with SoV you can sustain a dps rotation for about 3 minutes.
edit: tested without 4p t7 bonus.

Question: Has SoC lost it's auto-crit on stun component?

Yes, Yes it has

[Piscesthepally]

Question: Has SoC lost it's auto-crit on stun component?

It also has VERY bad damage on judge. I think mine was crittin for like 2.5k at most : /

[iktankniet]

vindication was like 23/46 and scaled with lvl. so minimal AP decrease is 23 and a maximal of 46?

[Vice]

its something like 270/540 AP reduction at 80

what's your initial report about whether overall damage has taken a nerf or a buff with 3.2?

[iktankniet]

its something like 270/540 AP reduction at 80

what's your initial report about whether overall damage has taken a nerf or a buff with 3.2?

i want to know if the ap reduction is random between the 2 numbers or something else.

[Bravvlan]

Vengeance/Corruption or Command for PVE dps? :

[Requital]

its something like 270/540 AP reduction at 80

what's your initial report about whether overall damage has taken a nerf or a buff with 3.2?

Nerf, Mana issues and CD Clashing issues. Disappointed to say the least. But I'll give it more time to test different rotations and what not.

[Svenskpally]

Vengeance/Corruption for PVE dps :

[Ascal]

Vengeance/Corruption or Command for PVE dps? :

Vengeance/Corruption

[Narveid]

Possible to get a picture of the new "Paladin only" mount from the Argent Tournament?

[milkshake619]

ive done some math on the issue and with the seal changes, CS nerf, and other nerfs; your average t7/8 paladin will suffer about a 15% dps nerf.

and only until you've achieved about 5kap unbuffed and a 300dps weapon will you out-scale the nerfs.

not to mention with the resilience change, burst loss, and lack of any utility to counter the damage nerf PvP ret is dead in the water.

all i hope is that the data will come back to support this and blizzard will take the initiative to correct the problem without letting it go to live servers. ret's come a long way since vanilla wow, and the last thing i wanna see is it slip back into just being lolret.

[iktankniet]

ive done some math on the issue and with the seal changes, CS nerf, and other nerfs; your average t7/8 paladin will suffer about a 15% dps nerf.

and only until you've achieved about 5kap unbuffed and a 300dps weapon will you out-scale the nerfs.

my calculations say that ret will be able to solo the new instance.

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share your calculations?

[xD]

Anyone else think that Divinity and Seals of the Pure need to switch places in our talent tree?
This is reminding me again of when Divine Strength was in Holy >_>

[Ascal]

it's intended. blizz wants us to dip into other trees

[xD]

ORLY? If that's the case... Aura Mastery or DSac for raiding?

[Validin]

ive done some math on the issue and with the seal changes, CS nerf, and other nerfs; your average t7/8 paladin will suffer about a 15% dps nerf.

and only until you've achieved about 5kap unbuffed and a 300dps weapon will you out-scale the nerfs.

not to mention with the resilience change, burst loss, and lack of any utility to counter the damage nerf PvP ret is dead in the water.

all i hope is that the data will come back to support this and blizzard will take the initiative to correct the problem without letting it go to live servers. ret's come a long way since vanilla wow, and the last thing i wanna see is it slip back into just being lolret.

I frequent this site but have not had an account until now. I saw this post, read it, digested it, and had to go out of my way to register so that I could tell you one thing...and if I didn't do this it would bother me the rest of the day.

You, your "math", and your "logic" are so full of fail it is mind blowing. Next time you want to pull random numbers out of your ass do it on a lottery ticket.

[izayoi80]

I was just thinking the same thing.

Hahaha...