2h Tanking.

[Horn]

While posting, keep the following in mind:
1) I did this in BC, I am not trying to be a Death Knight (Although they wish they were me ;D)
2) The farthest I have played with this thus far is Ulduar 10.
3) This is a fun spec.

The spec ---> http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sZe0xA0ugMcchbbxf0x0Ih
(If you have any alternitive specs feel free to post them)

Alright, lets get to it.

Quick facts! : The spec has limited threat potential due to no longer being able to use Holy Shield, Shield of Righteousness, Avenger's Shield, or Hammer of the Righteous so the main sorces of threat are seal damage, consencration, Exorcism, and Judgements(coupled with reckoning). Main source of mitigation is... armor; avoidance coming from parry/dodge.

The gear thus far:
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40384 (Bladeward)
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45935
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40722
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45381
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45283
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40580
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40689
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45267
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45166
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45538
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45326
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40107
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44063
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46021
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45697 (for now)

What Im fishing for here would be any tips as far as specific gear choices, strats to gain threat quickly, and how to minimize the damage I take while tanking with a 2h (along with any other positive feedback and experiance).

[Caean]

sounds fun to plan and gear for, but ultimately seems an awful lot like deliberately gimping a class and getting carried.

And if that's fun that's fine, but it's deliberately taking away many of the strengths of the class to see what is possible.

But if your dps and healers can accomodate it, and you enjoy it then rock on.

You might want to choose a different enchant...since you'll be stacking a ton of parry, I'd imagine, perhaps something like mongoose would be better.

[Lackluster]

I really don't see the point in this, it gimps your threat, armor and you lose the ability to block. It's no more 'fun' to play than regular prot as you get even less buttons to press.

Some people might enjoy being 'different', but this must be the most craptacular way of being a 'different' prot paladin; it's got nothing going for it.

[Horn]

Both helpful and informative.

You might want to choose a different enchant...since you'll be stacking a ton of parry, I'd imagine, perhaps something like mongoose would be better.

You know, I considered 35 agility and mongoose due to the armor and dodge aspects, but I couldn't actually justify using them over Blade Ward, especially when i could keep 2 stacks up fairly often and i have considerably less parry then dodge. I might reconsider, especially if anyone has any math proving otherwise.

[Lumidar]

considering exorcism will become a casted spell... all you'Re left with is Consecrate, Judgement and Seals. that's Terrible.

no tank would cast exorcism while tanking since you cannot dodge/parry/block (although you're not blocking anyways) while casting a spell.

all around an awful spec if you have LESS threat and LESS avoidance than an actual tank with a shield.

[razira]

honestly i doubt this will work with deminishing returns on avoidance, the loss of armor from the shield is gonna make you get blown away even quicker, if you really insist on 2 hand tanking you should consider making a DK alt and trying it out. honestly i do not like alternative tanking, look what it got us last time. we can thank the retarded 100 % avoidance rogues for our deminishing returns on our avoidance

[SoulPoetry]

honestly i doubt this will work with deminishing returns on avoidance, the loss of armor from the shield is gonna make you get blown away even quicker, if you really insist on 2 hand tanking you should consider making a DK alt and trying it out. honestly i do not like alternative tanking, look what it got us last time. we can thank the retarded 100 % avoidance rogues for our deminishing returns on our avoidance

it was actually 102.4% avoidance rogues...

>.>

but aside from the ass-hatery, while it is a fun idea, you're ultimately gimping your raid to do it. i agree completely on the armour value front and i regret to say i don't think you'll go much further. i'm mainly comparing you to the moonkin tank in BC here and i think the furthest he got was Gruul (succesfully, if he did any more i'd love to know!). it works while the "normal" content is so damn easy (sorry, but that's really why it works) and the only reason i'd see to do this would be for threat, but pallies have mindblowing threat already. o.O

[Shazarn]

I think this is a fun idea, but I cant ultimatly see this working with Raid Content
However, due to you gear, it would work well in heroics i think as you seem to grossly out-gear heroic instances
A fun with you mates spec/idea imo but I cant see this being any help for raiding
Bladeward seems like a good option for enchants

[Horn]

I understand it isn't ideal. I understand it isn't perfect. I understand my healers may dislike me. Thank you for taking the time to state the obvious several times. The simple fact is, It is a fun spec, It doesn't have to be viable, it just has to function and to a certain extent, this functions.

considering exorcism will become a casted spell... all you'Re left with is Consecrate, Judgement and Seals. that's Terrible.

no tank would cast exorcism while tanking-

Im doing this on live servers, not the PTR. I would also like to point out that, on the PTR, Seal of Vengance/Corruption damage has been significantly increased in such a way to greatly benefit slow-end 2h weapons and because of this, in the long run can see overal threat being increased, while snap threat generation will probably suffer.

Please keep in mind positive feedback is also welcome should any exist.

[TeddiShoe]

http://www.chardev.org/?template=225377

so i took ur spec and made this, the beastslayin on teh axe is cus chardev dont have bladeward for some reason
no idea if it will help tho :P

[Skiball]

all you'Re left with is Consecrate, Judgement and Seals. that's Terrible.

Wait, you mean like BC Prot Paladin was? That worked fine. Horde poserdins. Always good for a laugh.

But as far as contructive feedback, I have tried this myself and got to about 101.2% with raid buffs so nearly the same avoidance as normal, and since block sucks right now other than the reactive threat from holy shield it worked pretty well.

All that being said, and as fun as it is to make fun of DKS, blizz gave us great tools with hammer and shield of righteousness, so might as well use them, they do help quite a bit and shield does provide mitigation, even if not as much as it used to.

I love interesting off the wall specs though, so good luck and keep the creative juices flowing.

[nwo]

Wait, you mean like BC Prot Paladin was? That worked fine. Horde poserdins. Always good for a laugh.

But as far as contructive feedback, I have tried this myself and got to about 101.2% with raid buffs so nearly the same avoidance as normal, and since block sucks right now other than the reactive threat from holy shield it worked pretty well.

BC prot paladins worked fine in BC, when good dps was @ 1k. Now that DPS in raids is pushing 4-5k easy, you need more than just judgement, seals, and concecrate to be able to keep up in threat.

Please enlighten me on how you managed to get 45% more dodge and parry than everyone else, with your 2H spec, and reach anywhere close to 100% avoidance, fully raid buffed. BTW, block certainly does not suck. Mitigating an additional ~10% of the boss's physical damage every time you do not dodge or parry does not suck imo.

[Astray]

So, youre sacrificing:

- a lot of armor
- the ability to block
- Shield of the Righteous
- Hammer of Righteousness
- Avengers Shield
- Holy Shield

...For the ability to wield a 2-hand weapon while tanking.

If the fun of having a charakter use a big weapon is worth having almost no buttons to press and miserable defense and threat to you, get a deathknight.

[Tamara]

get a deathknight.

[Astray]

I myself am working on a 1h DPS spec, based around big SoR crits, right now the dps isn't too bad, but mana regen is a problem, i'm hoping to solve the problem with glyphs, but time is always an issue, i'll post some WWS when I get around to trying it again.

Damage as prot comes from 3 Sources

Source 1: Block Value for SotR
found on items with defense rating and most times dodge and Blockrating, almost never Hit or expertise

Source 2: Strength, Attack Power, Crit,Hit
While Hit and Exp. can be found of Tank gear, crit demands dps plate.

Source 3:
Spellpower from Stamina
Since Ulduar-DPS plate has ridiculous amounts of stamina, its okey.

So theres the decision. Pushing Blockvalue to the max = high Shield-strikes, but other abilities suffer.
Going for DPS-Plate = lesser Block value, but the rest is better

My opinion:
DPS as prot works best in dps gear focused on strength.
Huge amounts of block value are not worth the loss of crit, str etc.

[Eurytos]

seriously? are we still talking about this? this is foolish, just be ret if you want to use a 2h and be prot if you want to tank. if you want both, go reroll dk. just stop these threads. there are already enough retarded threads running around, no need to make more

[Alseria]

After vindication nerf half of paladins go crazy.

[Astray]

Was pulling about 3.5k on sarth before I hit mana problems,

That is quite nice for prot.

[Jathro]

I understand it isn't ideal. I understand it isn't perfect. I understand my healers may dislike me. Thank you for taking the time to state the obvious several times. The simple fact is, It is a fun spec, It doesn't have to be viable, it just has to function and to a certain extent, this functions.

Frost mages "function." So do BM hunters. But why play those when you could play a proven higher dps tree. See what I'm saying?

Kudos to you for having the idea and making it work, but aside from some occasional fun I wouldn't recommend it.

[Cerin]

BC prot paladins worked fine in BC, when good dps was @ 1k. Now that DPS in raids is pushing 4-5k easy, you need more than just judgement, seals, and concecrate to be able to keep up in threat.

Please enlighten me on how you managed to get 45% more dodge and parry than everyone else, with your 2H spec, and reach anywhere close to 100% avoidance, fully raid buffed. BTW, block certainly does not suck. Mitigating an additional ~10% of the boss's physical damage every time you do not dodge or parry does not suck imo.

Also in BC, tankadins were using ret aura and holy shield for additional threat (and if I remember correctly, the old blessing of sanctuary did damage on blocks)