Threat Problem as a Bear Tank

[Flesher]

The funny thing is:
/cast Growl
/cast Faerie Fire

WONT WORK!

Growl wil be cast if it's off CD. But if it is, the macro will jsut return the error "Spell not ready yet". It will never skip to the 2nd line (Faerie Fire).

/castsequence reset=8 Growl, Faerie Fire(Feral)

There you go, you can thank me later.

Since growl isnt on the gcd it should work

[Wesco]

If you fail as bear aggro, then reroll.
I have tried all tanking class, and druid is the too easy.

Lacerate and Mangle, then swipe with maul in the macro
no one has ever overaggro me

[Asgard]

1. Pull with FFF ("doubled" by a Growl to cover yourself from that dumbass "ALL TRINKETS OU CHIMERA SHOT" hunter)
2. Macro Maul to all other 4 abilities (Mangle, Lacerate, FFF, Swipe)
3. Keep Demo roar up (if there's no prot or ret paladin to give it)

Rotation :
Your Mangle is 4.5sec CD, that's 3 GCD long. So your rotation will always be Mangle-"Something"-"Something".

This "Something" is :
-> Lacerate if under 5 stacks (first seconds of combat) OR if it is 3sec away from falling (in case you get parried, you get 2 "chances" at reapplying it)
-> Demo roar if it is 2-3sec or less
-> FFF if up
-> Swipe as the filler (ie if you've go 5 stack Lacerate with more than 3-5sec left, Demo Roar is up, FFF is on CD)

Remember bears are not the class that will *AS IS* pull the most aggro, but 4.4k is very low, and you should never ever get overaggroed by a DPS (except if you're lagging, extremely undergeared, in a full caster comp AND/OR in a gimmick fight).

PS : As a personal experience, once I have been over aggroed since 3.0, only once. First time facing Hodir 10 man, we realize we're, after 2 tries, around 3'15" at the clock, call a wipe to attempt hard mode. We make the DPS feral druid and enhanc shaman respec balance and elemental, to get a full out caster comp, as well as drop one healer (priest goes shadow). With only Leader of the Pack to buff my threat, the lock overaggroed. Anyway, pretty much every class has its aggro dump right now, and if not, think Hand of Salvation.

[Tiolith]

The most noticable is probably that you're a bit short off the hit-cap, which is 263.
Either swap the 30stam for 10hit+15stam in your legs for the stamina-bonus, or buy the 232 tier pieces (legs+gloves, those have massive +hit), instead of using Naxxramas gear.

[Erionn]

The funny thing is:
/cast Growl
/cast Faerie Fire

WONT WORK!

Growl wil be cast if it's off CD. But if it is, the macro will jsut return the error "Spell not ready yet". It will never skip to the 2nd line (Faerie Fire).

/castsequence reset=8 Growl, Faerie Fire(Feral)

There you go, you can thank me later.

The macro in general sucks, spamming taunt is retarded. You realize there is DR on Taunts right? Good luck when you actually need it and the boss is immune.

[sponske]

on boss fights the first 10 seconds are crucial vs warlocks and mages (destro and fire ofc) the rest isn't that big issue. (this is when there is no hunter or rogue in the group)

5k tps isn't hard to get but i was wondering how to raise it a little bit more. I know i need more hit and expertise just bought my t9 hands and pants a lot of hit on that so that part is going well, my expertise is a bit low.
hit: 209 = 6,31%
expertise: 25

Is it worth gemming for some expertise?
Other questen: What are the hit and expertise caps so i got something to aim for with my little bear

[sponske]

forget that last part:

- the Hit cap for Bears (and Cats aswell) is 8% against a raid boss, which translates into 263 hit rating. If you are Alliance and can afford a Draenei buffing you, the hit cap is 7%, which translates into 230 hit rating.
- the expertise Dodge cap, also called "soft cap", is set at 6.5% reduction, which is 26 expertise. This can be achieved with 214 expertise rating, or with 132 rating if you have Primal Precision. The Parry cap, known as "hard cap", is set at 14% reduction, which is 56 expertise. You need 460 rating to get here, or 378 if you have Primal Precision.

[Cardrels]

The FF / Growl Macro only gives me trouble when I am OTing, but that is next to never. In that case I do have a seperate macro of just FF and Maul. Growl isn't on the GCD so if it doesn't cast it goes right to FF. As for it not being up when someone pulls, no one EVER pulls threat off me anyways, plus I have the 2pt8 so my growl is already on a shorter CD.

[Odenl0ki]

I love to use berserk right out of the gates (and Glyphed) for extra threat to begin the fight. This gives 20 secs of no cooldown mangles for a lot of extra threat. Then I will get into the regular rotation as the others have suggested.

[Droodsome]

3 points in Imp. Mangle is actually a threat loss compared to Master Shapeshifter if you don't get a perfect rotation(As the lower CD on mangle causes it to clip your FF

Over a 5 minute fight you can miss 20 FFF before improved mangle gives less threat then master shapeshifter. And mss needs 2 more talentpoints as well.

<based upon my own stats, so it might be a few more or less FFF's, depending on gear>

[getefix]

i am also having some threat issues although at a higher gear level. i tank sometimes in totgc 10/25 as well as ulduar and dps rip right off me a lot of the time. i've got 367 hit and 48 expertise so there's no reason for threat to be bad as pretty much NOTHING misses. my general rotation is to keep a 5 stack of lacerate rolling, keep mangle off cooldown, maul pretty much every swing, FFF when it's off cooldown, and fill in the spare time with demo roar/swipe.

If you have 48 expertise then you're either gemming for it or taking lower quality gear to get it. If you're not going to put stam in your reg sockets then put agility or agil/stam gems. If I push myself on a stationary fight I can get around 9k TPS without using Berserk.

[Auroro]

The most noticable is probably that you're a bit short off the hit-cap, which is 263.
Either swap the 30stam for 10hit+15stam in your legs for the stamina-bonus, or buy the 232 tier pieces (legs+gloves, those have massive +hit), instead of using Naxxramas gear.

I am guessing you did not read that i will buy the 245 pieces. I saw that the leg and glove have a alot of hit and is now the next thing to buy. My guild have ToC 10/25 on farm.

[razisgosu]

If you have 48 expertise then you're either gemming for it or taking lower quality gear to get it. If you're not going to put stam in your reg sockets then put agility or agil/stam gems. If I push myself on a stationary fight I can get around 9k TPS without using Berserk.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...ne&n=Razisgosu the cloak is a mistake, my normal tank cloak is from jaraxxus 25 man. i dont have any expertise or hit gems/enchants as you can see, my gear is just loaded with it.

[getefix]

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...ne&n=Razisgosu the cloak is a mistake, my normal tank cloak is from jaraxxus 25 man. i dont have any expertise or hit gems/enchants as you can see, my gear is just loaded with it.

That is quite a bit of Expertise. Well maybe your problem is your lack of threat talents? Your spec is packed full of damage reduction talents while the threat talents like Imp Mangle, MSS, and KotJ are left out. At the same time, 15/16 of your gems are 30 stam gems. You weapon is also low on agility. You're more progressed than I am so I won't try to persuade you to change your playstyle, but with that kind of gear and spec you're going to have to work hard for your threat.

[Auroro]

I got the glove and it rise my hit chance to 8.94%.

[razisgosu]

That is quite a bit of Expertise. Well maybe your problem is your lack of threat talents? Your spec is packed full of damage reduction talents while the threat talents like Imp Mangle, MSS, and KotJ are left out. At the same time, 15/16 of your gems are 30 stam gems. You weapon is also low on agility. You're more progressed than I am so I won't try to persuade you to change your playstyle, but with that kind of gear and spec you're going to have to work hard for your threat.

yeah i've been thinking of picking up one of the threat talents or two, but atm i am the only one in my guild specced for imp demo roar/vindict/etc. all our other tanks are big on threat so i generally get all my threat from taunt. my big problem is 10 mans when i'm generally main tank.

[Beetlejuice]

yeah i've been thinking of picking up one of the threat talents or two, but atm i am the only one in my guild specced for imp demo roar/vindict/etc. all our other tanks are big on threat so i generally get all my threat from taunt. my big problem is 10 mans when i'm generally main tank.

You don't get any threat from taunt... unless of course you already lost aggro. That is one of the many reasons that makes putting taunt in a threat rotation immensely stuipd. Others are having it on gcd when you need it and it would actually do something other than just giving you a fancy sound playback and the new diminishing returns, great way to wipe the whole raid on bosses that actually need to be spotted btw .

Over a 5 minute fight you can miss 20 FFF before improved mangle gives less threat then master shapeshifter. And mss needs 2 more talentpoints as well.

Never did the math and i really don't care, the last sentence is all i need to know. Those are 2 talent points i don't have. Especially if i just took another 3 points out of a talent that increases my cat dmg so much for off tank duty.

[LavaDuck]

My problem is the DPS is not willing to wait for 2 second for the boss to reach me and burn him down. By the time, he reach me, he about to walk away from me.

If it's starting to move away just throw in a growl.

[getefix]

You don't get any threat from taunt... unless of course you already lost aggro. That is one of the many reasons that makes putting taunt in a threat rotation immensely stuipd. Others are having it on gcd when you need it and it would actually do something other than just giving you a fancy sound playback and the new diminishing returns, great way to wipe the whole raid on bosses that actually need to be spotted btw .


Never did the math and i really don't care, the last sentence is all i need to know. Those are 2 talent points i don't have. Especially if i just took another 3 points out of a talent that increases my cat dmg so much for off tank duty.

I think he was referring to fights like gormok where the first tank builds up a lot of threat and the offtank has lots of threat when he taunts

[razisgosu]

I think he was referring to fights like gormok where the first tank builds up a lot of threat and the offtank has lots of threat when he taunts

exactly what i was referring to. generally our pally tank starts off and seeing as pally tanks have crazy tps (or at least ours does) i taunt at 4 stacks and steal his aggro while he goes and plays with snobalds. also very handy on HM hodir. mage gets the crit buff uses mirror images, generates 20k tps while not being able to pull aggro, and taunt it all off while they use invis.