Originally Posted by
Fornaw
There's a very very nice stam trinket on the badge vendor as well as in 5 man totc, not to mention any old 25 man content is up for grabs for a strict guild including ilvl 258 trinkets. The 245 armor trinket is a GREAT tanking trinket and was equally available to 10 and 25 man raiders, just as the 264 stam trinket is. If you aren't smart enough to know that armor trinkets are generally better than stam trinkets (ignoring their procs), especially with the ICC buff, that's your problem not mine. If anyone has actual cause to complain it would be caster DPS since their badge trinkets have been crap, but really with the nice 232 trinkets included in the new 5 mans I don't think they have all that much room to complain. It should not be surprising that 25 man trinkets are better than 10 man trinkets, 25 man loot is supposed to be better since the requirements are higher.
I'm not, nor did I ever, belittle their achievement, I simply pointed out that "10 man stuff is normally not itemized as well and almost all of the good trinkets etc are 25 man." is a lie. Many many pieces of 10 man loot are sufficiently well itemized that given equal item level it is better than 25 man loot. Comparing ICC10 heroic gear to ICC 25 gear is used because it eliminates item level discrepancies, when discussing itemization you aren't talking about item level.
---------- Post added 2010-08-12 at 08:29 PM ----------
Or only a tiny, tiny fraction of players actually do strict 10 progression. I've often wondered how exactly new content is tuned 10s or 25s. I'm melee DPS and I remember getting 1 shot by staggering stomp in a full set of Ulduar 25 gear week 1 of TotC, this wasn't an enrage, that attack just did slightly more damage than I could have reasonably had the stam for, I used a health flask for the actual kill that week. Between gating and shared badges they no longer need to balance around a full tier of separation between 10 and 25. Out of curiosity what boss in the first wing would you consider to be the hardest tank hitter? Quite a few of those bosses got nerfed later, in both 10 and 25 mode.