Further mage nerfs.. pretty bad this time

[allrightythen]

Ret at least is no where near Arcane's level of high crits.

and that makes it ok how? how is that line of thinking actually relevent for balance?

[Exera]

I'm sorry. But you deserve A punch in the face! Mages are doing a shit load of DPS now.. they need the nerf.

Let me guess.. You play a warrior.

[Swizzle]

Actually, they were saying that there was no way to counter it, after you said "Everything had a counter". He never said that the Warrior was not targeting him, he never said that he was fighting something else. Pay attention and stop deciding to invent completely fictional points to reply to.

For someone who gets so frustrated at people not reading blue posts, you seem pretty bad at actually bothering to read what you are replying to before you give out condesending insults.

Also, I am certain if they deployed a "fix" on the live servers which reduced all Mage damage by 75% players would be upset, and you saying "It will be fine in two months" wouldn't help anyone. Since they can obviously make changes to the live servers which they are not intending to keep at level 85 (look at the Insect Swarm 50% damage reduction) then a nerf to make damage less insane from mages is completely reasonable, if you don't care because it is being balanced for 85 then don't reply.

What else could he have been doing? Herbing? Mining? Streaming porn from Tube8? If you're in a BG and not targetting someone, then you're targeting someone else, otherwise you're just awful. I'm not making up facts, I'm making smart connections in logic to given information.

There are two things that could lead someone not targetting something to be nuked by said something:
That Person A is in combat with someone else and not paying attention to Party B who is behind random crap

or

Person A is AFK/tarded and can't complain anyway.

I've also run into many arcane mages in BGs...yet to be one shot by any of them, they get that first arcane blast in, I notice it, then they get CSd and die, pretty funny actually. Also, if I did get one shot, I wouldn't come to the forums to bitch about it. I didn't post when I got globaled back in s6 by two frost DKs in the length of a strangulate.

[Foibles]

and that makes it ok how? how is that line of thinking actually relevent for balance?

Ret wasn't overbuffed, Arcane still does a ton of damage in high crits. It's not balanced now, but it really doesn't matter.

[allrightythen]

Ret wasn't overbuffed, Arcane still does a ton of damage in high crits. It's not balanced now, but it really doesn't matter.

obviously you dont know what balance is.

Balance is not "me on par with someone else...screw the rest" just cuz you think ret wasnt overbuffed cuz you crit high too, doesnt mean squat.

also yes, arcane does a ton of damage in high crits, that is not a basis for you to say "rets fine"

good gawd, does everyone have such a biased view of there own class? im not just talking of the person i quoted but there seems to be a metric ton of posters blindly defending there fav spec.

[Dick Titty]

Quit crying about Mage nerfs. You now know how Paladins feel after every expansion release, we've dealt with it since game launch, deal with your first batch of needed nerfs.

[Foibles]

obviously you dont know what balance is.

Balance is not "me on par with someone else...screw the rest" just cuz you think ret wasnt overbuffed cuz you crit high too, doesnt mean squat.

also yes, arcane does a ton of damage in high crits, that is not a basis for you to say "rets fine"

good gawd, does everyone have such a biased view of there own class? im not just talking of the person i quoted but there seems to be a metric ton of posters blindly defending there fav spec.

Ret is fine because their damage is in line with the rest of the classes, what aren't you getting? You tried saying Ret was overbuffed when it wasn't. It was buffed to right where it needed to be.

Everyone is complaining (you included) about Arcane Blast doing 40-50k crits. I said Ret (because I don't know about the rest) can't bring that kind of burst damage, and is fine in general. It wasn't overbuffed, it was buffed.

[allrightythen]

Quit crying about Mage nerfs. You now know how Paladins feel after every expansion release, we've dealt with it since game launch, deal with your first batch of needed nerfs.

go away, your several days too late with this post. we know, we heard (we knew for those who were even partially rational) so you here now posting...what is old news, is neither constructive or interesting.

good day!

---------- Post added 2010-10-16 at 08:59 PM ----------

Ret is fine because their damage is in line with the rest of the classes, what aren't you getting? You tried saying Ret was overbuffed when it wasn't. It was buffed to right where it needed to be.

Everyone is complaining (you included) about Arcane Blast doing 40-50k crits. I said Ret (because I don't know about the rest) can't bring that kind of burst damage, and is fine in general. It wasn't overbuffed, it was buffed.

ok, let me take a step back, there is a possibilty (in some sense) that you are right. This is what has to be considered, damage for everyone is SUPPOSED to be higher then it was prepatch, the question is how high, and only blizzard knows.

so yes, ret could be fine.

Its not complaining really, i havent gone into a QQ rage over being toasted by a mage, i havent had me epeen stomped on by a arcane mage. its just simple logic, even with us doing higher dps, that amount of damage from one spell cast is absurd, and will be adjusted if blizz can figure otu a good way to do it without nerfing arcanes dps.

[Magnum]

Mages probably did need that nerf, I haven't done any PVE since 4.0.1 hit, but I've been doing alot of PVP and I am two shotting people with scorch and fireblast. I do hope though that this is the last nerf we will see in a while.

[allrightythen]

Mages probably did need that nerf, I haven't done any PVE since 4.0.1 hit, but I've been doing alot of PVP and I am two shotting people with scorch and fireblast. I do hope though that this is the last nerf we will see in a while.

what level is your mage? asking cuz my combined scorch and fireblast couldnt kill a level 80 player even if both crit. specially with most people having 25k+hp

[skrump]

this is complete BS - how are mages OP compared to other classes (and I am speaking strictly in terms of PVE)

I am sickj and tired of stuff getting nerfed because of PVP complaints

Oh I dunno
#1 3 mages in my guild all went from 10k dps to 17-23k dps after the patch (Several thousand dps above the rest of the raid even boomkin)
#2 all 3 generate so much threat that even when using threat reducing cooldowns they still pull aggro from the pally tank every 10 seconds

[allrightythen]

Oh I dunno
#1 3 mages in my guild all went from 10k dps to 17-23k dps after the patch (Several thousand dps above the rest of the raid even boomkin)
#2 all 3 generate so much threat that even when using threat reducing cooldowns they still pull aggro from the pally tank every 10 seconds

and i call BS on this. no way, that even after nerf, they are doing double damage.

either way though, my wow is installed and udpated. (had to fix a launcher bug) so i can leave you all to your either

A) fear or arrogance driven defense of your class (whatever class that may be)

B) your shameless plugging away at eachother about how your OP (whatever class you may accuse)

im gonna go and keep working on my rotations. sometimes i get the habit of impacting when i could combustion first, gotta get the muscle memory a-goin lol.

[skrump]

It's balanced for 85 not 80, also blizzard has already stated that we will have to live with a bit of chaos during these 2 months, deal with it. Be happy that they increased Resiliance effect with 50 % for 80 and below.

Yeah that resilience buff is a complete joke This warrior has no resilience and I am still killing Ret paladins with 1200+ resilience.

I don't mind though seeing as pallies were always a hard counter to warriors so it is nice to finally kick the crap out of them.

[Pasture]

People need to understand that while mages can achieve 80k+ crits in ICC, they achieve this by casting a full stacked Arcane Blast with all cooldowns popped and very high mana levels. It's not the kind of damage they see throughout the entire fight. Arcane's damage is front-loaded into the burn phase like that. As they lose mana they lose damage and even know they can't afford to spam Arcane Blast unless they're being fed innervates.

[skrump]

I find it exceptionally funny that, in order to balance mages, they basically had to take away Mastery.

This won't have ANY repercussions at 85, nope!

You do realize they could revert every one of those changes at level 85 in the time it takes to restart the server don't you ?

Simply put the game should be balanced at 80 right now because 100% of the playerbase is level 80 or below
The game should be rebalanced to 85 at cataclysms release or even a few weeks later.

[Enderfish]

Did you actualy read the post? Those red letters are hard to miss :/

The problem is they are balancing mages around fights we completely outgear with unbelievably inflated stats and where arcane's mastery really shines. As soon as cata hit these changes are going to really gimp mage dps and we all know how long it takes for them to fix it (10% coefficient nerf we had for how long?) Not to mention they still haven't fixed our damn glyphs so fires dps is also being inflated by the ability to use 5 prime glyphs and when they finally fix it fire will be nerfed even more.

And for all of you saying who cares about nerfs these 2 months don't matter.. well if they don't matter then why was everyone crying about mage dps? Either they matter and nerfing dmg in the last 2 months of ICC when people are still trying to kill heroic LK is very detrimental, or it doesn't matter and you should just spend this time learning the new aspects of your class and stop crying about others.

[Abandon]

What else could he have been doing? Herbing? Mining? Streaming porn from Tube8?

Targeting you and running towards you.

If you're in a BG and not targetting someone, then you're targeting someone else, otherwise you're just awful. I'm not making up facts, I'm making smart connections in logic to given information.

There are two things that could lead someone not targetting something to be nuked by said something:
That Person A is in combat with someone else and not paying attention to Party B who is behind random crap

or

Person A is AFK/tarded and can't complain anyway.

Did you even read what the person you quoted and replied to originally said? I am beginning to wonder.

He said he got crit for 55k damage. Since that is enough to one-shot someone, and since the Mage is Arcane, do you know how much ramp up time on the Warrior it would take to get off that damage? 0 seconds. Finish killing someone (and so have 4 stacks of Arcane Blast), change target to the Warrior running towards you, press Presence of Mind, Arcane Blast, win.

I've also run into many arcane mages in BGs...yet to be one shot by any of them, they get that first arcane blast in, I notice it, then they get CSd and die, pretty funny actually. Also, if I did get one shot, I wouldn't come to the forums to bitch about it. I didn't post when I got globaled back in s6 by two frost DKs in the length of a strangulate.

Are you trying to pass that off as logic? "I didn't complain when I got killed in a 2v1 fight so now nobody else has the right to complain about Mages"?

[Florena]

Balance my ass. Rogues are literely just doing Ambush, Eviserate and the target is dead. And Shammys are just casting Lightning bolt, flame shock, lava burst, and the person is dead. Like seriously, they should be nerfing the classes that are bursting people dead in 2-3 clicks.

Uh, as a fairly well geared rogue, the only people I can 2 shot like that are either ungeared (which is gear disparity rather than class balance) or not 80 at all.

[Deleted]

At first, I thought this was a thread about rogues, what with all the crying about DPS and all.

But then I realised, its a mage thread.

I don't care that they nerfed us. Thats my opinion and you're all entitled to disagree with that. We were pretty OP.

[allrightythen]

The problem is they are balancing mages around fights we completely outgear with unbelievably inflated stats and where arcane's mastery really shines. As soon as cata hit these changes are going to really gimp mage dps and we all know how long it takes for them to fix it (10% coefficient nerf we had for how long?) Not to mention they still haven't fixed our damn glyphs so fires dps is also being inflated by the ability to use 5 prime glyphs and when they finally fix it fire will be nerfed even more.

And for all of you saying who cares about nerfs these 2 months don't matter.. well if they don't matter then why was everyone crying about mage dps? Either they matter and nerfing dmg in the last 2 months of ICC when people are still trying to kill heroic LK is very detrimental, or it doesn't matter and you should just spend this time learning the new aspects of your class and stop crying about others.

frost will be the place to be at low gear levels, then either arcane or fire.