People say PvP isnt balanced around 1v1 yada yada, but heres why you should care

[charivari]

So you cant beat every class in 1v1 thats cool...I am fine with that. But really, this game begins with 1v1 and unless you know how to 1v1 and make the best out of every encounter you will be worse at group PvP.

So I practice 1v1 and try to get good at beating every class in 1v1 even if some are tougher than others I can at least do the best my class and spec can against them. The reason for this is simple: In group PvP we all work together and since I know how to fight each of the classes in 1v1 I make it easier on my dispeller and my healers and if they have done the same we have a better chance of winning as a team.

Its like Adrian peterson would get no where without his blockers, but you see him break a few tackles on his own to make it to the end zone every now and then...it all adds up to being a better competitor. So I think its ok to be concerned about how our class abilities stack up against other classes abilities in 1v1 since thats where it all starts anyway.

If you know your opponents individually you make it easier on your team.

[nikat]

I don't think anyone would disagree that practicing 1v1 has no value to group play, or knowing what other classes can do is a bad thing. A lot of this can also somewhat be obtained in group play as well.

But that being said, some classes just don't match up well 1v1, which isn't a terrible things necessarily.

[JeKv]

No-one says that 1v1 is useless. Certainly, it can be great practice.

All people are saying is that 1v1 wouldn't work in a structured arena system with rewards and such.

[Ershiin]

Oh, I care.. I care greatly.. It means I can safely go ganking on my healer knowing that nobody can stand up against me! ';,;'
I'll let them "not care" while running back to their corpses.. Again.. And again.. and again..

Protector of Chillmaw.. Should be a title.

[Deathquoi]

Practicing 1v1 is helpful. Crying about 1v1 balance is dumb.

To use your terrible football analogy, I don't think AP calls up Roger Goodell after a game and complains that he got stuffed at the line by Jerod Mayo and needs to be buffed.

[charivari]

Practicing 1v1 is helpful. Crying about 1v1 balance is dumb.

To use your terrible football analogy, I don't think AP calls up Roger Goodell after a game and complains that he got stuffed at the line by Jerod Mayo and needs to be buffed.

Hey my football analogy wasn't terrible!!!

[Deathquoi]

Hey my football analogy wasn't terrible!!!

Worst football analogy EVAR.

Also, AP doesn't make it to the endzone a whole lot now that Senor Dickpicksix is throwing interceptions left and right.

[Xuvial]

Remember back when Warriors were one of the worst 1v1 classes in the game? Trying to solo ANYTHING (in PvP or 3-man elites in PvE) would almost always result in a dead Warrior..... >_<

[Atieno]

Remember back when Warriors were one of the worst 1v1 classes in the game? Trying to solo ANYTHING (in PvP or 3-man elites in PvE) would almost always result in a dead Warrior..... >_<

No I don't remember that... that's how long ago that was lol

[CrunkJuice5]

who cares


blizzard doesnt care about the pvp anyway.and they certainly dont care about wrath of the lich king pvp so why complain about it,if you dont like it theres plenty of other games were the people who made it actually care about the pvp

[Wolfgank]

who cares


blizzard doesnt care about the pvp anyway.and they certainly dont care about wrath of the lich king pvp so why complain about it,if you dont like it theres plenty of other games were the people who made it actually care about the pvp

That's stupid. No offense but that statement is pulled out of your ass. If blizz didn't really care about PVP there wouldn't be any PVP and WoW would have about 60% less subscribers.

Yes they can do a better job, no one argues that (except blizzard) but saying they don't care is a load of crap.

That being said, 1v1 scenarios are a part of PVP, like it or not. Most battles end or start 1v1. You can't tell a guy "hey man, we are sorry, but your class just can't do anything against this or that class, aside dying quickly and insignificantly, cause you know, pvp isn't balanced 1v1.".

[fizikz]

That's stupid. No offense but that statement is pulled out of your ass. If blizz didn't really care about PVP there wouldn't be any PVP and WoW would have about 60% less subscribers.

Yes they can do a better job, no one argues that (except blizzard) but saying they don't care is a load of crap.

That being said, 1v1 scenarios are a part of PVP, like it or not. Most battles end or start 1v1. You can't tell a guy "hey man, we are sorry, but your class just can't do anything against this or that class, aside dying quickly and insignificantly, cause you know, pvp isn't balanced 1v1.".

blizzard has never argued their game was perfect. if they ever mention the subject, they say something along the lines of "we want to change the game more than you do, we just can't get it all done at once"

You can't tell a guy "hey man, we are sorry, but your class just can't do anything against this or that class, aside dying quickly and insignificantly, cause you know, pvp isn't balanced 1v1.".

yes, you certainly can. they might try to make things not such harsh counters, but really, they will never ever EVER remove "counter classes" without destroying the game.

[Wolfgank]

blizzard has never argued their game was perfect. if they ever mention the subject, they say something along the lines of "we want to change the game more than you do, we just can't get it all done at once"


yes, you certainly can. they might try to make things not such harsh counters, but really, they will never ever EVER remove "counter classes" without destroying the game.

No, you really can't. First because there aren't any as we speak, classes have a pretty fair chance against each other, more or less. Of course I'm not counting healers whose mana regen and heals are off the chart. But in general most classes have a decent chance against each other in 1v1, and I'm not talking about duels.

[SilkforCalde]

Why would you be fighting alone in a battleground? It's people like you that get your team to lose (or the other people in the battleground that left you alone).

1v1 is meaningless. Always has been.

[Deleted]

1 vs. 1 isn't meaningless but there are certain ramifications that don't allow you to make assessments about general class balance.

-Certain class concepts don't translate well in duells. For example Warriors need to take damage to get Rage and mostly start from 0. This isn't typical in most other PvP situations. Rogues will generally get the opener, giving them a great advantage. Duels also allow them to use all their CDs and plan their usage ahead of time. Something that also doesn't translate into real PvP. Mages can start with a sheep and strip you of all your buffs.....also not possible in ordinary PvP. There are plenty more examples of why Duels aren't a good basis for class balance discussions.

On the other hand, it's not the worst either. If 1 vs. 1 is reasonably balanced, and every spec has a (varying) chance of beating other specs, then 2 vs. 2, 3 vs. 3 and all successive PvP situations should be reasonably balanced as well.

I think the best point to balance from is 3 vs. 3, with 1 healer and 2 DPS. If that bracket is well balanced, then so will most other PvP scenarios.

[Voltair]

Worst football analogy EVAR.

Also, AP doesn't make it to the endzone a whole lot now that Senor Dickpicksix is throwing interceptions left and right.

Hey, Brett Farve will make a comeback

I hope

Also that back up they've got is WAAAAAY worse

[Deathquoi]

Pfft, REAL pvp is about 1v1. It is only ppl who suck at it either because of skill or class mechanics, that say only group pvp counts.

So you're alone in a bg or wpvp with some bastard in front of you. What are you gona do ? Ask him to wait for you to get support or just bend over and take it like a man and then say to yourself that 1v1 is not important ?!? Laughable.

Sure, wow pvp is not balanced around 1v1 and some classes are more powerfull than others in solo pvp while the others are more powerfull in group pvp, but this is where ppl adapt. Either physically by playing classes that can handle solo pvp OR mentally by trying to convince themselves being raped in 1v1 doesn't mean anything cause group pvp is what is important.

Not sure why you're making things up that nobody is saying. The point is that crying about 1v1 balance is retarded because that's not what this game is about. The focus is on group PvP, and one player having an advantage over another based on class is not a cause for rebalancing.

[Doylez]

1v1 balance issues carry over to group PvP as well. I've always felt that it's a huge mistake to not balance for 1v1.

[fizikz]

No, you really can't. First because there aren't any as we speak, classes have a pretty fair chance against each other, more or less. Of course I'm not counting healers whose mana regen and heals are off the chart. But in general most classes have a decent chance against each other in 1v1, and I'm not talking about duels.

you misunderstood me. he was trying to say (at least, its how I understood it) that blizzard can't say/design around 'oh well, thats just your counter class' and i said yes, they can.

also, I'm pretty sure frost counters ret, and any decent rogue counters aff locks. and maybe spriests counter hunters... just off the top of my head.

[Weerra]

It's late at night here and I'm not sure I got the post fully =_=
TLDR: Yeah, some classes stomp you 1v1, but you still should duel them and try your best, to know their class so you could play better in other XvX situations - did I get this right?
If so then I wholeheartedly agree.