Who is more powerful with the Arcane? The Alliance or the Horde? Poll Version

[Norgannon the Dreamweaver]

Psh, the only thing they`re good with nature is being natures good source of meat. Lawl. xD NOM NOM NOM NOM

Need more votes! Cmon peeps!

[Lord Cenarius]

Why is it that there is no "The Horde and The Alliance are equal on terms of the Arcane" option?

[Norgannon the Dreamweaver]

in my mind, the most profficient magically inclined humans aren't part of the alliance or horde, Jaina aside. Then I'd have to say Belf and Forsaken casters are generally more adept than the shown Alliance magisters (the alliance ones are often portrayed with their noses in books doing research unless they are a dragon or immortal being disguised as a human or elf).

Lol, wut? The Alliance have mages just as powerful as the Hordes, thank you. And there are no human magisters.. Magisters are a high elf/blood elf title. And I could say the same to belves, plunging their noses into books.

[Deleted]

Very simple. The Highborne were cast out. Only a few remained in Kalimdor. The majority sailed eastwards to found Quel'thalas. Then Humans learned from the High Elves. The Kirin Tor were created. Dalaran was build, destroyed and rebuild. Anyway the Kirin Tor are neutral now and no longer Alliance. No matter what people like or not (or think), fact is the Horde is more powerful with the Arcane.

[Deleted]

The Alliance races who can master the arcane are just as powerful as the belves lore wise. Humans, Draenei, High Elves, Highborne and the Worgen do just as well as the Blood Elves and the Forsaken.

To say it in the words of Dr. Cox: You're wrong!

The Blood Elves are masters of the arcane and have been practising it for thousands of years, how on earth can the humans, higbourne, high elves and worgen even compete with that?
Most of the Highbourne become High Elves-> Blood Elves or turned into Naga. The small amount that was Shendralar barely survived, lacking any sort of training in magical arts since the War of the Ancients, the strength they had has been diminished incredibly.
The High Elves fail in that they had to stop using magic to beat their addiction.
The mages of Dalaran aren't in the Alliance, so they don't count, with the ones in Stormwind are a minority of the overall mage numbers.
Many of the Gilnean magi were sent to Dalaran for training, they weren't behind the Greymane wall when it closed, thus little amount of mages and power there.
The Draenei were masters of the arcane, sure , a few THOUSANDS years ago, they've adapted to the use of the Holy Light moreso than arcane now. If they're suppose to be all powerful, why did they lose so easily to the Orcs(even without the demon blood).

Sure, the Alliance beats the Horde due to sheer amount of races who're good at it(Horde only having Blood Elves&Forsaken), but the Blood Elves are THE masters of magic, the Sunwell was 100% arcane energy, now 50%(other 50% is Holy energy), that power alone increased their power with magic so much more.

What's up Norgannon? lost your argument on Scrolls of Lore and decided to post it here too, in the hopes of getting people to side with you? If almost the whole of a forum dedicated to the WC Lore proves you wrong, you can't say you "know the lore".

[tilatequila]

belfs > humans > gnomes > drainie

let this bullshit end already! its been going on for days now.

[Norgannon the Dreamweaver]

Very simple. The Highborne were cast out. Only a few remained in Kalimdor [retcon ]. The majority sailed eastwards to found Quel'thalas. Then Humans learned from the High Elves. The Kirin Tor were created. Dalaran was build, destroyed and rebuild. Anyway the Kirin Tor are neutral and no longer Alliance. No matter what people like or not (or think), fact is the Horde is more powerful with the Arcane.

No, the Alliance are more powerful then the Alliance IMO. Read my post. It proves it. Just because Dalaran and the Kirin Tor are neutral, does not mean the Alliance loses, lore wise, most of the Kirin Tor and Dalaran fled to SW to practice magic, and the few remaining rebuilt Dal. Also, Dalaran and the Kirin Tor may be neutral ( Independant ) but they favor the Alliance greatly.

[Reluctant]

Strongest would be neutral factions
but between horde and allaince the allaince will be better in the arcane
The Horde is more shamanistic with some powerfull warlocks.

[Spikeychris]

I would say the alliance because of the Kirin tor links. And we don't know what faction the Kirin tor will side with when the cataclysm hits. They allowed dalaran to be neutral in order to fight the lich king but with the lich king now "dead" they may support the alliance more.

[Norgannon the Dreamweaver]

To say it in the words of Dr. Cox: You're wrong!

The Blood Elves are masters of the arcane and have been practising it for thousands of years, how on earth can the humans, higbourne, high elves and worgen even compete with that?
Most of the Highbourne become High Elves-> Blood Elves or turned into Naga. The small amount that was Shendralar barely survived, lacking any sort of training in magical arts since the War of the Ancients, the strength they had has been diminished incredibly.
The High Elves fail in that they had to stop using magic to beat their addiction.
The mages of Dalaran aren't in the Alliance, so they don't count, with the ones in Stormwind are a minority of the overall mage numbers.
Many of the Gilnean magi were sent to Dalaran for training, they weren't behind the Greymane wall when it closed, thus little amount of mages and power there.
The Draenei were masters of the arcane, sure , a few THOUSANDS years ago, they've adapted to the use of the Holy Light moreso than arcane now. If they're suppose to be all powerful, why did they lose so easily to the Orcs(even without the demon blood).

Sure, the Alliance beats the Horde due to sheer amount of races who're good at it(Horde only having Blood Elves&Forsaken), but the Blood Elves are THE masters of magic, the Sunwell was 100% arcane energy, now 50%(other 50% is Holy energy), that power alone increased their power with magic so much more.

What's up Norgannon? lost your argument on Scrolls of Lore and decided to post it here too, in the hopes of getting people to side with you? If almost the whole of a forum dedicated to the WC Lore proves you wrong, you can't say you "know the lore".

1. You suck at lore.
2. High Elves practice the arcane as much as belves.
3. The Draenei in lore actualy practice the arcane a lot still, but you probobly don't look up lore that much if you don't know that.
4. The Highborne in Dire Maul in lore were one of the most powerful sects of magi 10,000 years ago, their library containing A LOT of arcane. If you look in game, they are still protecting vast amounts of magic.
5. Dalaran and the Kirin Tor may be neutral, but favor the Alliance.
6. The Draenei who are mages are mostly over 10,000 years old. Sorry buddy, immortal draenei beats elves who mostly die at 300, and or can live to 2000.
7. Lore wise, the elves were shocked to discover humans skills at magic, just as skilled as the elves, they even noted that the humans could summon more raw magic then they could, but stil lthe elves had better control. So humans = powerhouse. Elves = controllers
8. As for Gilneans, it does not matter, humans everywhere have been known to be mages. Good and bad.

[mickybrighteyes]

Lol, wut? The Alliance have mages just as powerful as the Hordes, thank you. And there are no human magisters.. Magisters are a high elf/blood elf title. And I could say the same to belves, plunging their noses into books.

Yes, the short lived mortal casters of the alliance are clearly on even footing with the centuries old casters elves and the hazardous undead. At least their respective homes trust and accept them which is more than can be said about the alliance's most adept magical practitioners (i.e. NON-human)

[Norgannon the Dreamweaver]

We got Jaina... and boobs.

You sir, get a cookie!!

(>'.')>@ Here you go!!

[Fiddlesnarf]

The horde dominates them physicaly by far tho',no hard feelings

Ehh, I wouldn't be so sure of that. Dwarves are known to be as powerful as Tauren, Draenei are very strong too. Some people say Worgen are insanely powerful too.

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Not gonna bother to quote you, but you're very wrong in most of your argument.
Also, do not turn this thread into a flamefest.

[Ninji]

With the Highborne coming out of hiding and aiding the alliance, the alliance.
Besides Blood elves, no other horde races have truely embraced arcane energy. Although the durotar mage trainer (in vot) says that she spent the last few years or so deep in Undercity's Library, thats only a weak reason for orc magi.

Your avatar rocks

As I see it, it seems to be more that the arcane controls the belfs than the other way around. And besides, the entire dalaran is filled with human arcane mages etc. You alliance can have your sissy arcane sparkly stuff. Plagues, poisons and shadowy things is where the good stuff is at.

[TTerminator999]

If the Horde are the masters of Arcane because of the past, you'd think that the Elves would have been able to put up some REAL resistance to Arthas and not end up as crack addicts. Sylvanas wouldn't have gone bat crazy either. Just because the teachers of Arcane may be Horde now, doesn't mean you're the strongest. Most of the Horde is about darkness (Warlocks) and Shamanism. WoW lore is a joke now, why use it in any arguments lol.

Also, despite how much you may think it, and DESPITE how much Horde ass-kissing may be done, Dalaran will always be an Alliance-favoring Mage city and the Kirin-Tor will never support the Horde. Go sell yourselves to demons again, Mr. Horde.

[Norgannon the Dreamweaver]

Your avatar rocks

As I see it, it seems to be more that the arcane controls the belfs than the other way around. And besides, the entire dalaran is filled with human arcane mages etc. You alliance can have your sissy arcane sparkly stuff. Plagues, poisons and shadowy things is where the good stuff is at.

GOOD KNEWS EVERYONE!! Sorry, couldn't help it.

[Lord Cenarius]

Ehh, I wouldn't be so sure of that. Dwarves are known to be as powerful as Tauren, Draenei are very strong too. Some people say Worgen are insanely powerful too.

I'm not trying to turn this into another all out Horde vs. Alliance thread but:
Lets rate strength on a scale of 1-3 with 2 being the power of an average human

Orcs 3
Tauren 3
Trolls 2.5
Undead 2
Goblins 1
Blood Elves 2

Humans 2
Dwarves 2.5
Draenei 3
Worgen 3
Gnomes 1
Night Elves 2

but then you have to take into consideration that Draenei and Worgen aren't exactly the most populated races.

[Norgannon the Dreamweaver]

I'm not trying to turn this into another all out Horde vs. Alliance thread but:
Lets rate strength on a scale of 1-3 with 2 being the power of an average human

Orcs 3
Tauren 3
Trolls 2.5
Undead 2
Goblins 1
Blood Elves 2

Humans 2
Dwarves 2.5
Draenei 3
Worgen 3
Gnomes 1
Night Elves 2

I remember reading somewhere that elves were slightly weaker then humans with steangth, but yet more agile. Refering to High Elves and Blood Elves.

[Joshmaul]

Not content to deal with the logical people of SoL, so you're going to the troll-feeding frenzy, eh?

[Deleted]

Horde, becuase of BEs being so uber cool.