Really low DPS with survival spec

[Deleted]

Hello, my first post here. Hopefully I will not make anyone angry

So my really worrying issue is.. I have 82 goblin hunter, named Hamter, realm Karazhan (check armory). I do 2.2k DPS, while other hunters do more like 8k dps. Where is the issue (except the player?)

I will really appreciate your answers and any help is really welcome, thanks

[Zorgen]

Hello, my first post here. Hopefully I will not make anyone angry

So my really worrying issue is.. I have 82 goblin hunter, named Hamter, realm Karazhan (check armory). I do 2.2k DPS, while other hunters do more like 8k dps. Where is the issue (except the player?)

I will really appreciate your answers and any help is really welcome, thanks

What is your shot rotation and spec?

[Midghaar]

If you are talking about boss fights then make sure that:

1. Explosive shot is always fired when off cooldown
2. Black Arrow is always up (when off cooldown)
3. Serpent Sting is always up
4. Use steady/cobra shot whenever explosive shot is on cooldown and both serpent sting and black arrow are up

If you do this you should do at the very least 8k dps.

If this doesn't help then I really don't know.

[Zorgen]

If you are talking about boss fights then make sure that:

1. Explosive shot is always fired when off cooldown
2. Black Arrow is always up
3. Serpent Sting is always up
4. Use steady/cobra shot whenever explosive shot is on cooldown and both serpent sting and black arrow are up

If you do this you should do at the very least 8k dps.

If this doesn't help then I really don't know.

You seem to know what your talking about.. however you should never be using Steady Shot as Survival, always use Cobra Shot as it increase the duration of Serpent Sting so you never have to waste focus to manually cast it again, Steady Shot does nothing at all for Survial. Only MM.

Edit: Cobra shot is affected by your Mastery Rating, while Steady Shot does not. Therefore Cobra does a substantial amount more damage then Steady as a Survival Hunter.

[Deleted]

What is your shot rotation and spec?

I'm survival.

1. fire serpent sting
2. fire black arrow
3. explosive shot
4. replenish focus with cobra
5. fire killshot whenever possible
6. if i have spare focus - arcane shot

That's it and i do so little dps.. had no problems in wotlk, i think im doing less now

[Zeryx]

I'm doing over 10k dps at 85 as survival so stick with it and don't really worry about low DPS until you're max level.

[Drob10]

however you should never be using Steady Shot as Survival, always use Cobra Shot

I expect he was saying use SS if you don't have CS yet.

[Deleted]

I'm survival.

1. fire serpent sting
2. fire black arrow
3. explosive shot
4. replenish focus with cobra
5. fire killshot whenever possible
6. if i have spare focus - arcane shot

That's it and i do so little dps.. had no problems in wotlk, i think im doing less now

Never, never use arcane shot, it shares cooldown with explosive shot
Allright my bad, was stuck in the old about arcane and ES sharing CD. but still wouldn't use arcane shot, its a waste of focus in my eyes.


1. Hunter's mark
2. Serpent sting
3. Black arrow
4. explosive shot
5. cobra shot for focus while ES is on cooldown.

And another thing, if Lock and load procs, don't just fire 2 ES in a row. Use cobra shots in between so you get the dot ticking from ES.
and if you do that you get 3 ES in a row because you generate focus between the 2 free ones and then have focus for a third.
If blackarrow gets off CD between free ES on LnL use it instead of cobrashot.

I would say our main stats are (apart of agi) mastery and haste. Mastery is amazing for us with ES, SS and CS. while haste gives you more focus so more shots fired.

Oh and another tip is, when there's alot of mobs throw in a multishot, gives you serpent sting on all targets it hits (if you got the talent) then go nuke skull or whatever your prio is for that pack.

[Zorgen]

I'm survival.

1. fire serpent sting
2. fire black arrow
3. explosive shot
4. replenish focus with cobra
5. fire killshot whenever possible
6. if i have spare focus - arcane shot

That's it and i do so little dps.. had no problems in wotlk, i think im doing less now

You seem to have the rotation down, however you should be:

Using Hunters Mark
Using Multi-Shot as it applies serpent sting to anyone it hits
Check your talents.
Get a ferocity pet

[frogi]

Never, never use arcane shot, it shares cooldown with explosive shot.

Wrong there, no shared cooldown.

Also, SV: mastery is the worst stat and haste or crit is best. Mas is a good stats but not top three.

To the OP, just go here http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/...hunter-guides/ and honestly read all you can. Every guide is brilliantly written and true.

[Cordae]

Never, never use arcane shot, it shares cooldown with explosive shot.

1. Hunter's mark
2. Serpent sting
3. Black arrow
4. explosive shot
5. cobra shot for focus while ES is on cooldown.

And another thing, if Lock and load procs, don't just fire 2 ES in a row. Use cobra shots in between so you get the dot ticking from ES.
and if you do that you get 3 ES in a row because you generate focus between the 2 free ones and then have focus for a third.
If blackarrow gets off CD between free ES on LnL use it instead of cobrashot.

I would say our main stats are (apart of agi) mastery and haste. Mastery is amazing for us with ES, SS and CS. while haste gives you more focus so more shots fired.

Oh and another tip is, when there's alot of mobs throw in a multishot, gives you serpent sting on all targets it hits (if you got the talent) then go nuke skull or whatever your prio is for that pack.

It's pretty much this, yes, except that I wouldn't take the arcane shot comment to heart. Personally, with the amount of haste I have, I have plenty of opportunity to throw in arcane shot while Explosive is still on CD, without interrupting my rotation at all. This wasn't true as much when the changes first rolled over into focus, but over time, my focus regen has gotten much quicker and makes this possible. However, yes, it might be a bit different at 85, because I don't know the focus regen balance at those levels. I only know that my increase in haste gave me a lot more focus to waste between explosive shots.

I use to abuse arcane shot during trash a lot because a real rotation wasn't as effective, but with the mob health and difficulty increase, this is less true post 80.

[Sercease]

Just thought I would throw this in there aside from rotations and what not...

Keep in mind that as you level if your not swapping out your gear you will be taking massive stat hits every time you ding. I had 60% crit back at 80 and I am now 83 and hovering around 20% as I haven't replaced any of my gear yet, rewards have come close but just not quite enough to drop my epics yet.

[Zeryx]

Never, never use arcane shot, it shares cooldown with explosive shot.

You can use arcane shot when explosive shot is on cooldown.

[Deleted]

Typically I have found doing something like this:

- apply serpent sting
- apply black arrow
Then the basic rotation is

- explosive shot
- cobra shot
- arcane shot
- cobra shot

With my current haste (Check out Doranth Defias Brotherhood EU ) I get around 35 focus between firing off the arcane shot and cobra shot and explosive shot setting up. basically, weaving Arcane shots between cobra shots while explosive shots are on cooldown. It is a DPS improvement by far and arcane shot does scale with our mastery too I think, but haste is a great stat now.

[Grogar]

Kill > Explosive > Black > Serpent Sting > Arcane > Cobra,

During the first 20% of a boss fight Cobra > Arcane. At the mo' just reforge for hit rating up to 8%, don't bother reforging to anything else until your gear is a lot higher level.

I usually Start : Explosive -> Black -> Serpent -> Cobra -> Ect...

[Deleted]

I usually Start : Explosive -> Black -> Serpent -> Cobra -> Ect...

Throwing out the Serpent sting first gives you the extra 10% damage on the first explosive shot and Black arrow just so you know.

[Grogar]

O rly? Due to noxious. You reckon that over powers the DPS gain of having Explo off CD sooner? Haven't done the math yet.

[Deleted]

I usually do it out of habit anyway, Plus lock and load procs from Black arrow may happen anyway, meaning the cooldown will auto reset, dunno the factors into but I am sure it would be a DPS increase.

I go Serpent > explosive > Black arrow

[XanderJS]

Kill > Explosive > Black > Serpent Sting > Arcane > Cobra,

During the first 20% of a boss fight Cobra > Arcane. At the mo' just reforge for hit rating up to 8%, don't bother reforging to anything else until your gear is a lot higher level.

I usually Start : Explosive -> Black -> Serpent -> Cobra -> Ect...

This is pretty much what i do.
I'm almost in full 333 gear now (missing a few 4 slots i think) and on Rhaj in Halls of Origination I just managed to put out a little over 11k. I've never been much of min/maxer so aslong as i'm happy with the numbers I can live with it.

This is all 85 stuff and I see the OP was only 82. Without seeing gear it's kinda hard to see whats going on, could be stacking Int for all we know.
When i was about that level i was pumping out 6-7k on bosses depending on how the fight was going, some were really messy with people not knowing whats going on, not to mention there are a fair few encounters that require alot of target switching and not being prepared for that will always go badly.

[Retadino]

Honestly Black Arrow is not very good anymore. Unless they really changed something recently. I would suggest trap launching an Explosive Trap right away (unless other hunters are using it, because the tick doesn't stack) and SV hasn't been super great DPS since pre 4.0 MM is still the best by a good amount as far as i know.

But that probably won;t help your problem right now so I'd say you should never have full focus unless you REALLY need it such as when ES and BA(Trap) are off CD. While in between there keep spamming AS while you can and regen your focus with CS. Steady Shot sucks for any class other than MM and even as MM I would only use Steady to get that buff then its AS/CS because the CS damage is better.

Hope that helps.