Destro Complexity

[Deleted]

Hey , just wanted to make a post to see what people where thinking about the new destro System and how your adapting to the new rotation with its new style. I personally love it and how its much more Complicated it is than in wrath if you want to do much better dps than the next guy. Also I wanted to know if any1 else was using a Specced Improved Corruption because Corruption is a dps increase but just wanted to know what people thought. =)

[Deleted]

Well I don't like the fact that you have to use corr constantly in your basic rotation. It was a lot more comfortable to play when u just throw it in when you have to move (which I still do sometimes). Its the same for affli where you have to cast soulfire, it just doesn't fit.

[nocturnus]

It's great, it feels like affliction in the immolate+SL period but with WAY more utility.

Yes, the spec with imp corr is the top dps spec.

Lovely how these complexity threads are popping up. When I mentioned this spec would be more challenging that anything we'd ever seen the nay-sayers were inundating my threads.

Personally I wouldn't use the word complex, but challenging it certainly is. I'm also enjoying all the players putting their locks on the shelf because they think the dps sucks - Just like at the start of wrath.

Until now, everything about cata is simply amazing (for me).

[Antvg]

Well I don't like the fact that you have to use corr constantly in your basic rotation. It was a lot more comfortable to play when u just throw it in when you have to move (which I still do sometimes). Its the same for affli where you have to cast soulfire, it just doesn't fit.

Just my thoughts. Soulfire was always demo style. And even if it fits destro(fire or whatever), affli just don't look cool with it.

[Deleted]

Loving it, much more interesting than the wrath rotation. Hoping it doesnt get nerfed like they did early wrath with affli

[Aesiir]

Thought since this was on topic, maybe i'd throw in a question into this thread:

Is it viable to throw up Shadowflame in boss fights(single target). I've seen it prioritized on EJ forums, and it actually does do good dmg overall for just a GCD. Just getting up to the target is the only holdback, since in a lot of fights you need to stay away from the boss due to cleaves, shatters, etc.

My OPENING rotation has looked something like: CoE, CoD, Shadowflame, (moving backwards) Corr, (SoulBurn)SoulFire, Immo, Conflag, CB, SB, x2 Incin ===> Keep CoD, Corr, Immo, Shadowflame, and SoulFire(buff) up.

In 10 man raids I've been ~10k-11k dps, not impressive but not bad considering I have enough mobility to sustain this in MOST fights(sometimes I even spam a few Fel Flames if I can't stop to cast, who knew it could be rarely useful). Anyone have any suggestions of things to add, switch, drop, etc?

Also probably don't have optimal use of Demon Soul. I'm lazy so I just macro'd that and my trinket to my SB and Incin >.<

[Deleted]

It's great, it feels like affliction in the immolate+SL period but with WAY more utility.

Yes, the spec with imp corr is the top dps spec.

Lovely how these complexity threads are popping up. When I mentioned this spec would be more challenging that anything we'd ever seen the nay-sayers were inundating my threads.

Personally I wouldn't use the word complex, but challenging it certainly is. I'm also enjoying all the players putting their locks on the shelf because they think the dps sucks - Just like at the start of wrath.

Until now, everything about cata is simply amazing (for me).

Yeah , we are a bit behind on dps especially Affliction but thats mainly down to Stats. But Yea I really enjoy Destro and how hard it is to do EVERYTHING perfectly while keeping on top of tactics. Its just awesome and makes it require so much more skill.

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Thought since this was on topic, maybe i'd throw in a question into this thread:

Is it viable to throw up Shadowflame in boss fights(single target). I've seen it prioritized on EJ forums, and it actually does do good dmg overall for just a GCD. Just getting up to the target is the only holdback, since in a lot of fights you need to stay away from the boss due to cleaves, shatters, etc.

My OPENING rotation has looked something like: CoE, CoD, Shadowflame, (moving backwards) Corr, (SoulBurn)SoulFire, Immo, Conflag, CB, SB, x2 Incin ===> Keep CoD, Corr, Immo, Shadowflame, and SoulFire(buff) up.

In 10 man raids I've been ~10k-11k dps, not impressive but not bad considering I have enough mobility to sustain this in MOST fights(sometimes I even spam a few Fel Flames if I can't stop to cast, who knew it could be rarely useful). Anyone have any suggestions of things to add, switch, drop, etc?

Also probably don't have optimal use of Demon Soul. I'm lazy so I just macro'd that and my trinket to my SB and Incin >.<

In my opinion I dont think its worth the Global to cast Shadowflame. I normaly open - CoE - Soulburn Soulfire (for Haste for dots ect) - CoD - Corruption - Immo - Conflag - shadowbolt - Soulfire if need to clip buff. Then into a normal rotation really Prioritizing Conflag the most with keeping Soulfire and Shadowbolt debuff up.

[Aurzon]

I haven't noticed any differences from Wrath as far as the rotation goes, aside from throwing in the Soulburn + Soul Fire when SB is off CD... Other than that, it's been the same for me. I use the same rotation Selkon does, other than that I use Shadowbolt the once for the buff, then filling with Incinerate (it appears like Selkon is saying Shadowbolt is his filler, not sure if this is true or not). So how has it gotten any more complex?

[nocturnus]

In my opinion I dont think its worth the Global to cast Shadowflame.

Your opinion is based on a 'feeling'. Shadowflame has an incredibly high DPCT therefore it's a dps loss to exclude it from your rotation.

Oh and I don't think we're behind on dps at all. On the contrary, I've got the feeling a nerf may be imminent...

[Deleted]

I've seen alot of people thinking ISF will be getting a nerf, it is a massive buff when cast, but I like that we need to keep something like that up.

As for shadowflame, its definitely worth casting. I think if you have to move into position to land it, then its not worth casting so don't do it (I imagine, not confirmed). Or you can move while you are casting instants.

[Karifan]

Guys, sorry for noob question : what is CoD ? is it abbreviation for Bane of Doom?

[Knuffelbert]

Yes, used to be curse of doom and the abbreviation stuck

[Knuffelbert]

It's harder and more complex, which it undoubtedly is (especially since SF has an internal CD of 15 seconds, so you want to start casting with 15% haste buff but landing it after it worn off).

But nothing is really hard in this game, just harder than it used to be.

[Deleted]

I haven't noticed any differences from Wrath as far as the rotation goes, aside from throwing in the Soulburn + Soul Fire when SB is off CD... Other than that, it's been the same for me. I use the same rotation Selkon does, other than that I use Shadowbolt the once for the buff, then filling with Incinerate (it appears like Selkon is saying Shadowbolt is his filler, not sure if this is true or not). So how has it gotten any more complex?

I only said that was my opener, ofc I dont use SB as a filler.

[Deleted]

CoE
Soulburn+soulfire
Immolate
BoD (have 1200ms lag in iraq so filler into conflag)
conflag
SB (5% crit on bosses if no one provides debuff)
corruption
chaos bolt
fel flame (only to offset immo duration from soul fire duration bc of said 1200 lag)
incinerate

conflag/chaos on CD
shadowflame if melee possible
precast soulfire at 2.00 remaining
refresh immolate with .01-2.00'ish on duration (yes you can refresh before it drops)
refresh corruption before it drops .01-2.00'ish (before last tick again)
incinerate filler
maintain BoD, shadowbolt debuffs
infernal if needed
soulburn on CD
imp instant soul fire if procced, save if duration of buff > duration of ISF


Yeah, it's a lot to manage, especially on movement fights, but I enjoy it. It will be a lot more fun when im back in the states with 50ms instead of 1200.


EDIT: Offtopic, has anyone else noticed demon soul is crap with destro? By crap i mean bugged, most of the time i stay at 3 charges for the full 30secs and definitely do not have the increased crit from it

[Zoots]

Your opinion is based on a 'feeling'. Shadowflame has an incredibly high DPCT therefore it's a dps loss to exclude it from your rotation.

Oh and I don't think we're behind on dps at all. On the contrary, I've got the feeling a nerf may be imminent...

I would imagine the nerf would be to Shadowflame. It always seemed to be a pvp type spell, and the fact you have to be in close range with the target kinda negates the whole ranged class design.

Raid Leader: Zoots! Why are you so close to the boss!? You're ranged!
Zoots: Shadowflame barf! BLAAAAARRRGG!!!

[Deleted]

I don't think shadowflame will get nerfed. You still have to be in melee range which can be fatal in many encounters. also moving there just to cast sf isn't practical. But if you happen to be there (boss is moving, or being pulled or something) you can cast it for a minor dps gain, which is actualy cool. I doubt the majority of wls will always stand in melee range to keep sf on cd.

[Aisolate]

EDIT: Offtopic, has anyone else noticed demon soul is crap with destro? By crap i mean bugged, most of the time i stay at 3 charges for the full 30secs and definitely do not have the increased crit from it

I thought DS was bugged too until I read the tooltip more carefully. It's for increased critical _damage_ so with entry level stats our terrible crit rates mean that chances of burning through the charges by critting are rather low. Also note that it only affects cast time spells ie. Soul Fire, Incinerate, Shadow Bolt, Chaos Bolt.

On topic though, I'm finding destro's complexity much more enjoyable than Wrath. There's various cds and DoTs to keep track of and coordinating all of them is a welcome challenge. It kinda does bring back the nostalgia of early wrath Aff rotations and it's rewarding when done well.

As for my rotation I usually open with:
CoE>CoD>Soul Fire (hard cast)>Immolate>Corruption (to fill in the delay til Conflag)> Conflag > Chaos Bolt > Incinerate filler.

From there my priorities are:
Maintaining Immolate (via Fel Flame) > Maintaining ISF > Conflag > Shadow Flame (if in range) > CoD (without clipping) > Corruption (between 2nd last and last ticks) > Chaos Bolt > Incinerate

I try to fit in Shadowflame by moving towards the mobs while casting instants - the Coe>CoD and Corr>Conflag opening parts are good opportunities to continue edging closer. Also try to use Fel Flame for extending Immolate right after cast time spells sub ~5 secs and most importantly before hard Soul Fire casts (when SBurn is on CD) if it looks like Immo will expire very close to SF being cast.

When moving a lot from beams etc going nuts with Fel Flames when other instants are on CD help with ensuring that when I can stop again Immo's duration is less of a concern for that much longer (max duration is still 15 secs though!)

[Deleted]

Ahh, thanks. I honestly thought it was crit % not crit damage, thanks for clarifying. Guess I need to pay more attention to tooltips!

[Khaottix]

@ Vakic thanks for the broken down rotation thats good stuff, and no i think that again might be part of being in iraq because my demon souls works just fine