PTR numbers, are you not worried?

[zevek]

I'm using full 359 gears with 3 piece 372. flask + food.
On dummies i am pulling 12k as destro, 11k as affliction, 11k as demo.

In comparison, On live I use no buffs, and I pull 17k with destro, a bit less with affliction and demo.

That is a solid 5k difference. Anyone have similar or different experience?

If nothing is bugged on PTR (I didn't notice any, just smaller numbers all-across), I sense a hotfix soon once this hits live.

[Jadugarr]

90% chance that blizzard forgot they nerfed all our spells by 12% shortly before Cata launched to compensate for the stupidity that was ISF.

[zevek]

The nerf went live along with the ISF, no? I don't think they reversed the nerf in 4.06, at least not on any patch notes.

[Jadugarr]

That's what I'm saying. I bet they forgot.

[Moriah]

as far as i remember that %12 nerf was for base damage and should have no significant effect once we hit level 85.i suspect this is something else.

[nocturnus]

as far as i remember that %12 nerf was for base damage and should have no significant effect once we hit level 85.i suspect this is something else.

This was discussed and we concluded that the 12% damage indeed DOES affect level 85 spells. Yes, on PTR warlock damage is utterly broken.

[nilnar]

Reading certain threads on forums, it seems like it MAY be a damage meter bug. Certainly some people claiming with destro that they were counting a number of conflags and the meters were saying they'd done maybe half that number. This could be the case. I'm gonna check out the ptr later.

---------- Post added 2011-01-22 at 01:36 PM ----------

I just did some dps tests. I was about 2k dps down on Live affliction, while not using ISF on live (about 4k down while using ISF). Obviously something is wrong there.

I tested to see if recount was missing spells by just spamming shadowbolt on a dummy and watching the recount. There were about 20-30% of casts not showing on recount. Indeed, they weren't showing on MSBT either. Problem being, they aren't showing in the combat log. Whether the damage is actually being done, I don't know. It may just be a dummy bug, but if its a real damage issue then it needs to be fixed. I've no idea if this affects other classes too, I would assume it is.

[Jmickey]

This was discussed and we concluded that the 12% damage indeed DOES affect level 85 spells. Yes, on PTR warlock damage is utterly broken.

We had concluded that this wasn't base damage that was nerfed (it simply couldn't have been, based on the result after it went live), it was coefficient damage. Basically a 12% overall damage nerf.

[Hellfury]

I'm using full 359 gears with 3 piece 372. flask + food.
On dummies i am pulling 12k as destro, 11k as affliction, 11k as demo.

In comparison, On live I use no buffs, and I pull 17k with destro, a bit less with affliction and demo.

That is a solid 5k difference. Anyone have similar or different experience?

If nothing is bugged on PTR (I didn't notice any, just smaller numbers all-across), I sense a hotfix soon once this hits live.

Yeh and Iam worried about our ability to keep up on single target damage with other classes that already over-damaged us and didn't got any nerfs or even got buffed.

[Deleted]

12% was ok but they made ''small'' mistake nerfing both immolate and conflagrate 12% total loss 24-25%

[zevek]

Reading certain threads on forums, it seems like it MAY be a damage meter bug. Certainly some people claiming with destro that they were counting a number of conflags and the meters were saying they'd done maybe half that number. This could be the case. I'm gonna check out the ptr later.

---------- Post added 2011-01-22 at 01:36 PM ----------

I just did some dps tests. I was about 2k dps down on Live affliction, while not using ISF on live (about 4k down while using ISF). Obviously something is wrong there.

I tested to see if recount was missing spells by just spamming shadowbolt on a dummy and watching the recount. There were about 20-30% of casts not showing on recount. Indeed, they weren't showing on MSBT either. Problem being, they aren't showing in the combat log. Whether the damage is actually being done, I don't know. It may just be a dummy bug, but if its a real damage issue then it needs to be fixed. I've no idea if this affects other classes too, I would assume it is.

Do you happen to know if this bug is Warlock-only, or does it affects other classes as well?

[nilnar]

Nope, no idea. I don't have another class on the ptr. It may just be a target dummy bug too. I did go and nuke some mobs down and didn't notice the bug, but couldn't really test it properly. I imagine it may just be a target dummy bug.

[redsunrising15]

People complaining that warlock damage is too little. at 12k dps.

this thread is stupid.

the only other spec that could get that high were feral druids and survival hunters. They took the bat as well.

[Deleted]

12k DPS on a dummy really is broken. Most classes can pull 8k solo, with self-buffs.

[nocturnus]

12k DPS on a dummy really is broken. Most classes can pull 8k solo, with self-buffs.

Wow, you've got crap players in your guild if that's the case.

[nilnar]

People complaining that warlock damage is too little. at 12k dps.

this thread is stupid.

the only other spec that could get that high were feral druids and survival hunters. They took the bat as well.

No. You're being ridiculous. With gear, any class can get well over that. Just because you haven't managed it, it doesn't mean its not possible.

The idea that other classes are stuck at 8k, while warlocks and ferals are ahead is mad. Neither class is at the very top right now.

[Zoots]

12k DPS on a dummy really is broken. Most classes can pull 8k solo, with self-buffs.

I know LOTS of players that would love to have a word with you over many classes.

As for the OP. Am I worried? NOPE. It's more like I simply do not care. I've been playing the class for a little over 6 years now. I've seen this class go through so many ups and downs that my give a shit o meter about blizzard tweaking has long since broke.

[Glnger]

lol. gotta hope that Redsunrising is a troll, cuz damn if you havent seen any other class/spec combo above 12k you're bad, your guild is bad, your realm is bad.

since when is target dummy dps an arguing point anyway?

[latzko]

I was dishing 13k on dummy as destro (live) with ~347average gear. It must be broken if you can't dish out more then that...

[Deleted]

Found that bug myself before reading this post. Actually I came to find if someone else has noticed it.. Recount does miss many casts. Being full buffed and flasked etc and doing 5k less than unbuffed on live of course is not because of -15% haste. I didn't check if combat log counts all spells casted but at least I didn't see the yellow numbers pop on some casts.