First 10 man guild on 13/13hc

[Pootch]

http://www.wowprogress.com/rating.tier11_10

is it true?

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[ChildeRoland]

In that case gratz.

[Tennou]

well done ! Very impressive!
Oh ! and btw ChildeRoland - FAT TROLL!
I mean , ofcourse it is harder than 25men, but you mentioned it for The butthurt to start

[Feriuma]

Nope, not true. They just killed Al'akir in 10 man and it bugged

[Keosen]

It's 25man raiding guild but still good job 10man HC it's a nightmare

[Off topic] but googling "armory" first (advertised) result it's a scam don't click it.[/off topic]

[Radalek]

Not really, they are listed as 25 man guild. Wowprogress isn't really precise with 10 man kills/rankings and often lists 25 man kills as 10. And if you look at http://www.wowtrack.org/encounters.lua you'll see that there's no Sinestra 10 man kills and pure 10 man guilds are still far behind 25 man ones due to content being much harder on 10 man heroic.

[Deleted]

Not a single good guild has been raiding 10 mans in this tier so it's not surprising these kills are coming this late. This is apparent from looking a kill history from any of these top 10 guilds, all of them were top 200-6000 (yes, in the thousands) ranked during WotLK.

[Huntingbear_grimbatol]

Not a single good guild has been raiding 10 mans in this tier so it's not surprising these kills are coming this late. This is apparent from looking a kill history from any of these top 10 guilds, all of them were top 200-6000 (yes, in the thousands) ranked during WotLK.

so the Korean guild that raids 6days aweek isnt hardcore enough for you? Cut out the bullshit about 10man being easier than 25man and the only reason noone has 13/13 10man HC yet is there's not any good 10man guilds. There's a reason why top guilds, blizzard AND the community is saying 10man HC is harder than 25man.

[Deleted]

so the Korean guild that raids 6days aweek isnt hardcore enough for you? Cut out the bullshit about 10man being easier than 25man and the only reason noone has 13/13 10man HC yet is there's not any good 10man guilds. There's a reason why top guilds, blizzard AND the community is saying 10man HC is harder than 25man.

Which Korean guild are we talking about? The one that killed 10 man heroic Omnotron exactly 1 MONTH after the first kill by Ensidia? Or the one that killed 10 man heroic Halfus 3 weeks after Ensidia did in 10 man? Are these the "hardcore" Korean guilds you are talking about? Because killing the first bosses of a raid tier 3-4 weeks later than any real top guild (as in, 25 man guilds) doesn't exactly sound very hardcore to me.

Top 25 man guilds are not saying 10 mans are harder. Blizzard isn't saying 10 mans are harder (except for now nerfed Valiona), that's obvious because they haven't nerfed the encounters. The community are the only ones saying 10 mans are harder and you people haven't even done most of the encounters.

[Scrubble]

Before anyone says 10 is harder than 25, without any evidence from either PoV, think of this.
Have any top guilds such as paragon stopped raiding 25 and formed a 10 man group? no
So the best players in the world are still in 25 man guilds.

[dyalad]

Which Korean guild are we talking about? The one that killed 10 man heroic Omnotron exactly 1 MONTH after the first kill by Ensidia? Or the one that killed 10 man heroic Halfus 3 weeks after Ensidia did in 10 man? Are these the "hardcore" Korean guilds you are talking about? Because killing the first bosses of a raid tier 3-4 weeks later than any real top guild (as in, 25 man guilds) doesn't exactly sound very hardcore to me.

Top 25 man guilds are not saying 10 mans are harder. Blizzard isn't saying 10 mans are harder (except for now nerfed Valiona), that's obvious because they haven't nerfed the encounters. The community are the only ones saying 10 mans are harder and you people haven't even done most of the encounters.

Because heroic progression path in this raiding tier is completely linear isn't it? /irony
Maybe they focused on learning fights that other 10 man guilds hadn't killed yet.

[Tigerpal]

If you even bother to check their site, You would see 8/13 is 25man. So they are terrible and had to finish content in 10man, Nothing to see here

[Deleted]

Before anyone says 10 is harder than 25, without any evidence from either PoV, think of this.
Have any top guilds such as paragon stopped raiding 25 and formed a 10 man group? no
So the best players in the world are still in 25 man guilds.

You're just proving that 10's are harder? Why would Paragon raid 10 mans if they can do 25's, get the same gear, same achievements, everything?
There is just no need for them to do 10 mans.

[gash46]

browsing their site, seems they copied the recruitment stuff from ensidia although i could be wrong... http://excessivegaming.wowstead.com/recruitment

[dyalad]

If you even bother to check their site, You would see 8/13 is 25man. So they are terrible and had to finish content in 10man, Nothing to see here

Terrible? I'd hardly call a world 200 guild a terrible guild.

[Deleted]

Because heroic progression path in this raiding tier is completely linear isn't it? /irony
Maybe they focused on learning fights that other 10 man guilds hadn't killed yet.

OK, I get it. These guilds skipped 4 weeks worth of loot from a very easy boss (top guilds took only a few hours to kill Halfus for example) in favor to train other bosses (that they killed none of). And then ended up killing these exact same bosses as their first heroic kills of that tier. How fucking disillusioned are you?

You're just proving that 10's are harder? Why would Paragon raid 10 mans if they can do 25's, get the same gear, same achievements, everything?
There is just no need for them to do 10 mans.

There is a reason to stay away from 10 mans though. 25 mans drop more loot per participating member.

[Deleted]

wowprogress is not accurate in 10man
just look @nef 10 hc, paragon first

[Mizzeeh]

The reason it's listing them as 13/13 HC10 is because 4(possibly 6; 2 armories refused to show) people just joined them in the last few days that have cleared all content on 25-man.

Edit: Also if you compare their kill-dates they all sync up perfectly with CUTIES ONLY which just disbanded like 2 days ago.

[Delilith]

http://www.guildox.com/go/g.asp?a=4&r=&w=

Nope it says 12/13 for me.

[Pikapika]

There is a reason to stay away from 10 mans though. 25 mans drop more loot per participating member.

Not quite. 10 mans drop 2 pieces of loot, 25 mans drop 5. Not counting tier tokens, of course.