Patch 4.1 Valor Points and Daily Dungeon Explained, Blue Posts, The Daily Blink

[ryuke09]

5mans = 333 blues
5man heroics = 346+ blues to prepare for raids
raids=359 epics
heroic raids=373 epics

firelands raid=37X epics
firelands heroic raid=39X epics



what the hell was wrong with that linear progression that made blizzard want to completely screw it up with giving points for the CURRENT normal raid content to 5man heroics? doing 7 heroics in on day for the 'cap' is fine but there's no reason people should get that level gear if they aren't raiding.

[Azrile]

If you just do the 7 randoms in the new heroics, you'll hit the 980 cap. No need to do 14.

Yep, the most possible you will have to do is 11.
7easy x 70 490
3hard x 140 420
1hard x 70 70
is max VP for the week.

I think most people will end up doing the troll dungeons just because you will be getting lots of upgrades at least the first few weeks. You will also get another 70 above this cap from BH, which is basically faceroll easy already.

[Kokiron]

Resisting the urge...to punch....ignorant boob....in the face....through the Internet........so....grrr....HARD!

So i'm ignorant because I think anime style art doesn't fit Warcraft? Ok.

I'm not saying the art is bad, i'm just saying its really, really not the style that should be used for a piece of warcraft fanart.

[Demik]

Don't worry about what other people are doing. Is the only reason you raid just to have better gear than someone? Isn't the raid gear better than point gear anyway? I don't keep up with this crap like I used to. The more you raid, the less you need points. All of wow is people worried about what everyone else is doing. The best gear should (and does, I believe) come from killing raid bosses. No one is getting better gear from grinding 5mans then you are getting from killing whatever the top boss is right now. Even IF they did....why do you care? If someone wants to grind 5-mans, let them have their fun. You don't play with them, so they aren't taking anything away from you.

No one outside of our guilds care what gear we have. I get it now... the stats don't matter, as long as it's gear that others don't have. We gotta feel special. The gear grind is what hooks the most players, where as I enjoy the actual game and playing with people. The gear is a means to see more stuff and play more of the game. If they turned all gear that didn't drop from raid bosses back to green or blue, a lot less people would complain. God forbid someone did a boring 5-man instance grind to get a purple that you had to avoid standing in fire for a few minutes to get.

[maniac2009]

Really shows how naive and young the general posters are. There is NO change at all from earning points as it is currently. NONE. All you're doing is getting the points after 7 consecutive heroic dungeons, rather than having to wait a week. You'll still have to wait til the next week to get more. The only thing they're changing in 4.1 is adding new heroics which offer a higher tier of gear anyway.

[Venial]

Really shows how naive and young the general posters are. There is NO change at all from earning points as it is currently. NONE. All you're doing is getting the points after 7 consecutive heroic dungeons, rather than having to wait a week. You'll still have to wait til the next week to get more. The only thing they're changing in 4.1 is adding new heroics which offer a higher tier of gear anyway.

Seems like you can't read. Now you get 490 points if you do the daily each day. Next patch you'll be able to get 980 if you do the new heroics too, which give 140 each.

[Dejohn]

I wonder if it will be harder to find a group later in the week, im sure weekends wont be a problem but monday could be a long wait time for a dps if thats the only time you have to play. I know on my server VOA/BH was always easier to run earlier in the week rather than later.

[Dorky]

Why are you all complaining? It's not a raise in the amount of VP you can get, just makes it less of a daily chore. You won't be seeing full VP gear on everyone a week after patch.
Stop complaining about something that doesn't really make much of a difference.

This. Read it.

[delage35]

im a bit confused, so the weekly VP cap is 1250 is that including raids. Because that would suck if it did.

Why are you confused? It is the weekly cap. It does include raids. It only sucks if you were realistically able to get a lot more than that from just raiding before.

[Deleted]

If you are a serious progression raider, that are working on heroic content, I can't really see what harm it would do to you that so called "casuals" are getting welfare epics. It won't slow you progression down. Casuals getting easy epic's won't fly by you on realm rankings either. What this can do is give casual players a chance to see the raid content, because let's face it, you aren't beating many bosses with ilvl 346.

Embrace it, and be happy that you might actuelly get to take your alt to a raid also, because it will be easier to find people geared for it. Becides, if you want full epic gear you will still have to raid, because you can't buy every item with valot points, and the valor points earned from heroics will still only be able to provide 1 piece of gear every two weeks.

[Donald Hellscream]

i love how most complain about the fact that the "bads" and "casuals and "wrath babies" can get tier gear from doing heroics, they can do already it just takes considerably longer, besides you cant get the 4p set bonus and thats probably the main reason(for the most parts) to get tier gear.

[Deleted]

This might actually make me consider rerolling! I'm warrior tank atm, but I've been EXTREMELY unlucky with guilds (4 guilds in 3 months where the leader robbed us and disbanded) and nobody is in need of tanks atm - I've allways wanted to reroll a druid healer, but couldn't find myself gear up again.

...Until now! Luvz this change

[madnessrising]

i find this funny that people cry about purple welfare epics. so explain to me. heroics drop lvl 346 blues. the new ZG/ZA heroics will be dropping 353 if im not mistakin which is still lower then raid level drops. VP rewards give 359 which is raid level epics but you get what 5 maybe 6. that still gives about 10 or 11 slots that need to be filled with lvl 359 raid epics. so i want to know how is this going to exactly affect VP is going to be gotten when 4.1 drops?

[Airath]

14 random heroics a week : /

You need only 10 in the worst case to reach the 980 VP cap.
6 normal heroics for 420
4 t1 heroics for another 560

---------- Post added 2011-03-19 at 09:08 AM ----------

At level 60 do you know HOW a priest would get the "Vestments of the Oracle" set? Going through and getting the specific Scarabs and Idols while rolling against maybe 20 other people in AQ40 and then turning them in to get the gear. THAT was a challenge. THAT was a grind. It is more rewarding to get get if you really work at it. Blizz you disappoint me.

You can easily remove the "THAT was a challenge" part.
It was nothing more than just a boring grind and a time sink for the sake of time sink.

---------- Post added 2011-03-19 at 09:14 AM ----------

That's like 7*70+2*70 = 630 VP in a single day... If Blizzard wants to please the crowd like this, they should please a epics for bananas vendor outside AH. Would be less time-consuming too.. I see a bad moon rising.

You only forgot that one actually has to spend a good 4-6 hours (longer, if you include 30min+ dps queues) to actually get the VP. That's isn't exactly free, since time is the only resource you have invest in this game.

[A J Rimmer]

Lol. My rogue has all but 4 slots 359 gear purely from the AH and rep. (Hurricane card will make only 3 I need to Raid for - legs, bracers & shoulders) It's been easy since day 1 to get epics. This change makes sweet FA difference to gear. It just allows people to play the game when they want to.

Your gear will be less special as time goes by, always has done always will do, get used to it or GTFO

Just a warning - I'll be picking up your firelands raid gear from the JP vendor in 6 months time

[Jukaï]

nioe with vos youll get t12 without going into raids so dont talk when you dont have facts

Getting T12 without going into raids? Don't talk when you're pulling random facts out of your arse. 'Nice'.

[Deleted]

4.2=new tier and im pretty sure new currency.so,valor will be old news at that time.
this plus the cap system=definitely not as bad as it was in wotlk.

[Deleted]

Ugh, I wish whoever keeps accepting the KAWAII DESU anime art into the fanart gallery would stop; it just doesn't fit in right at all and half the time you cant even tell it's supposed to be a warcraft character aside from certain armor pieces and a name tacked on. There was a night elf one a while back that I wouldn't have guessed in a million years was supposed to be a night elf :\

I totally agree with you. Warcraft + Anime = One massive no no. It ruins the epic feel of it for me and every Warcraft character drawn in that style just ends up looking stupid. Plus I don't like anime enough as it is. (Most of the time, there can be exceptions, I really enjoyed Fullmetal Alchemist and I read some manga.)

But the new VP changes I'm really pleased with, being someone that sometimes likes to just run HCs one day for the hell of it.

[Korru]

Whiners whine again. *sigh*

[Decimation]

Casuals wins again. *sigh*

Excuse me, but am I totally missing something here? What in name of Spitfire and the Troubleshooters makes this a casual change? The VP cap, even after the patch, remains at 1250 per week. Every single person at level 85 can get these points, regardless of the 'virtual-caste' label you care to slap on them. What this new change brings is that you can get the majority of that cap (which again, is the same cap that is present now), in the first 7 heroics that you do in a week. Whether you do them all in one sitting, or still stretch them out over the week SHOULD be totally irrelevant. Because if you truly are trying to make the argument that people shouldn't have this option, which doesn't speed up VP gear acquisition at all, I would love to know why.

Really, am I missing something? Does this say the cap is extended beyond the current 1250/week?