WoW Interface has ruined the game.

[Xuany]

If we revert it back to what it was in Vanilla it would take you a day before you came back here and complain about it. For some odd reason you "think" doing stuff back in Vanilla was fun when it isn't.

Player from Vanilla- "They should do this and this, make things a lot easier"
Other Vanilla player- "I totally agree"

**Few years later Change happens**

Current Day player- "This interface sucks, it's totally ruined this game"
Other Player- "I agree, just like re-used content"
Other Player- "You both are idiots"

Blizzard can never satisfy, what a shame.

[shockerxl]

Making gameplay easier / less annoying. Faster. Simpler. Is ruining the game?

Ok cool.

this to a t..a little sick of the vanilla players saying its too easy now when really the only thing that made things all that hard to begin with was overcomplication of things that should be a bit less of a time sink

[Mister K]

Vanilla WoW UI was terrible and thats that. The UI then was so damm limited and ANNOYING as hell.

Oh and in terms of gameplay:

1 minute polymorph, sap etc...
Sap gets you out of stealth
Judgements eating your seals

yeh i can keep going on....

[Thorgarth]

* snip *
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A screwdriver was an awesome tool, but a drill is better.

Don't quote the entire thing to add a 1 liner please. - Phen

[BuffNinja]

Battleground?
Travel to a major city and locate the Battlemasters. Talk to the battlemaster with the responsibility for the specific BGs you wanna do.

If I'm not mistaken you had to go to a battleground location, i.e Barrens, Arathi Highlands, Alterac Mountains.
I think the battlemaster thing was introduced in BC, considering there is no Eye of Storm entrance.

[Negrido]

You have not provided any numbers either, so it's my word against yours. However, my claims are at least congruent with what is known to be true: C-WoW/RAF and how many players have seen so many quit.

This is an extremely poor way of arguing and will sway non but the most inept.

You people have been claiming that the sky has been falling since vanilla, your doomsday predictions are no more real or valid than those in the real world. Don't be such a downer.

I think the battlemaster thing was introduced in BC, considering there is no Eye of Storm entrance.

I started playing around the time the AQ gates opened, so its been around since at least that point.

[Vordwann]

I'm sick of Vanilla people going... "Baaack in my day...."

[Phenomina]

Subs rose through Vanilla and TBC and then stagnated in the second half of WotLK; there was a brief increase towards the start of Cata then a sharp decline thereafter.

The increase in subs in WotLK consisted of C-WoW and RAF and not actual individual Western subscribers.

You have not provided any numbers either, so it's my word against yours. However, my claims are at least congruent with what is known to be true: C-WoW/RAF and how many players have seen so many quit.

I don't need to provide numbers.. your tryign to stretch out my statement in hopes of making it look truthful.

I simply said we have more subscriptions now then we did in Vanilla. You said that was wrong. Don't try to cherry pick random facts please.

[Boldwyn]

No its not a long way, take a boat to darkshore and your literally there already.
Same thing with Arathi Basin for horde. Zeppelin to UC and your pretty much there, just a small flight.

You do realize that in Vanilla there was no boat to Darkshore from Stormwind? In fact there was no port at all in Stormwind...

[BuffNinja]

I started playing around the time the AQ gates opened, so its been around since at least that point.

I joined late Vanilla, but I've been told that was how it was. It is kind of common sense.

[Boldwyn]

A group is its members.
If what you say was true, WoW would have died in its infancy. So, yeah, BS.

But it was true. And yes, if Blizzard would go back to Vanilla mechanisms OP is talking about, a lot of people would stop playing - me including (even though I started in Vanilla).

[Phenomina]

A group is its members.
If what you say was true, WoW would have died in its infancy. So, yeah, BS.

That statement makes no sense...

[Monarken]

What an intresting read this has been !

Being a vanilla player myself i agree with alot of points being made in here. However, nostalgia is a factor i think many of you are not taking into acount. I mean seriously, you have viewed the bad things post-Vanilla and the good things in vanilla. It makes your comparison somewhat fragile in my eyes.

Saw a post on this page claiming we didnt have retards in dungeons back in Vanilla. Did you ever play Vanilla? We most certainly did have them, but we did not ENCOUNTER them at a regular basis due to us not chaining dungeons. And remember the 40man raids, it required a big guild <-- A big guild of players being mostly friendly to other guildies. People did ofc group up with guildies rather than with randoms (as today). So maybe you didnt actually PUG in vanilla? I can for sure say there were retards back then too.

As for the WoW was a "bigger" world hence a better world back in the days, i agree. Flying mounts and w/e has changed this game as we know it.
And for the love of god, PLEASE remember that Blizzard is a MONEY MAKING COMPANY, meaning they will ALLWAYS cater to the majority (Yes, if the majority are retards they will cater to the retards). So just because a handfull of us Vanilla lovers think WoW is going downhill does not mean we are right.
As for WoW going downhill. No, its not. BECAUSE if it was actually going down in the drain, then Blizzard would change things. If they lost many subscribers due to something being bad they would change it, ITS NOT LIKE THEY ARE INTENTIONALY SCREWING THEIR OWN GAME FOR THE CASE OF LOSING MONEY.

[Negrido]

I'm sick of Vanilla people going... "Baaack in my day...."

Where were you when it happened?
Where could you be found?
Were you dueling outside of Org?
Or RPing in Goldshire?

From ST out to UD stat
UBRS back to MC
The world of warcraft changed forever
Back in the day

Well that was back in the day
And if you weren't there
It doesn't matter anyway
Because you wouldn't understand

[zakayron]

When i first read the title i thought it was an attack on the website >.>

but seriously why would you want to spend another 45 minutes doing nothing. If you are sitting in cities waiting for queues you are choosing to do so. No one is preventing you from going herbing or doing dailies or archaeology. thats what i do while waiting for the absurd 30 minute healer queue

[BuffNinja]

You do realize that in Vanilla there was no boat to Darkshore from Stormwind? In fact there was no port at all in Stormwind...

Correct, but wasn't there one in Menethil Harbor. Still not SW, but just a tram and some walking away.

[Bucky Mclachlan]

I completely agree with OT - and all you people that say i don't want to walk blah blah blah are either bad, lazy, or just casual which isnt bad or good but this game shouldnt cater to you it should to the skillfull or i don't know whats happening now happens, the game sucks

I bet 1 billion gold that all that time you spent walking has resulted in you not getting world first/server first boss kills or gladiator titles or anything more than you spending more time playing this game than you should need to in order to be successful.

It's no coincidence that the actual top players in this game never complain about these things but actually like them quite a bit. Because it allows them to focus 100% on what they like doing the most. In fact I'm pretty damn certain that most of them relied on guild crafters and farmers who did much of that work for them.

[Griffmstr]

I've played since Vanilla. The only one of your complaints that I feel has any merit is the Dungeon Finder. I won't talk out of my arse like your good self and say that spending 45 minutes trying to find a group was fun, but I will say that I do miss the fact that there is no socialising in dungeons anymore. Dungeon Finder on it's own isn't really to blame, it's the fact that we can be grouped with people from other servers who we are never gonna meet again outside that dungeon. Why bother talking to someone if you're never gonna talk to them again in 30 minutes?

I don't mind the Dungeon Finder, it's a convenient feature, but I wish it was only for your server (Battlegrounds too, I miss having rivalries with people from the other faction.)

I do have to agree. I love the Dungeon Finder but I hate how anti social it has become. Just like GC said, in making something convenient you lose something in the process (like world PvP with the addition of flying mounts), this is just one of those things.
That being said though... I don't believe making it only for your server will help. It would just make the queues longer. I do wish though that we could have a battle-group friends list. So you can talk to some of your battle-group after the instance is over, or even queue with them as well.

[Pitchkart]

A group is its members.
If what you say was true, WoW would have died in its infancy. So, yeah, BS.

I remember getting into groups for UBRS back when I hit 60.
The chat would have someone looking for someone for their UBRS group. I say I'll go.
Join group.
They go "What spec are you?"
I reply with "Holy."
THey go "Great, we needed a healer."
And that was usually the only thing ever said to the others who joined ("What spec are you? Okay, good.")
Of course, we talked more when we started the run. You know, "Sheep that guy. No, that other guy. Yeah, that one" since raid markers weren't around yet.
I quite frankly don't remember a "social get-to-know each other" period in any of my PuG runs, either.

[Bacon Grease]

Actually I've seen more people complaining about the "grindy" nature of cataclysm than people like the OP.