Blizzard fails at Valor?

[Deleted]

So, the cap was reduced to 980, which one can reach with 7x ZG/ZA, and the old raids give 35 valor on 10-man and 45 on 25-man heroic only.

WTF? Is there any reason to put an effort into doing heroic Blackwing and Bastion? To be honest I'd rather do those raids in heroic to get valor but it just seems like a waste of time. Some items are nice and come close to firelands gear but time spent does sure as hell not equal the reward. Anyone else pissed of about this stupidity? I'm sick of doing ZG and ZA over and over and we'll have to keep doing those for quick access to valor points.

Thanks Blizzard, you fucking IDIOTS.


EDIT: The major point is that Blizzard devalued raid hardmodes below ZG/ZA. No one is claiming that you should skip firelands because you can cap your valor with ZG/ZA.

[unholyfury]

I cried a little when I read this.

It's pretty obvious why. Blizzard wants you to focus on current content, not run old tiers over and over again. We've had these raids for how long now and you still want to run them more?

[eternalwhitemoon]

I cried a little when I read this.

It's pretty obvious why. Blizzard wants you to focus on current content, not run old tiers over and over again. We've had these raids for how long now and you still want to run them more?

It's not even that, it's that Firelands raiding won't even be worth it from a VP standpoint. Why bust your butt raiding new content when you can do your 7 heroics and get the same points easy peasy?

I hate to use tired memes, but bad math is bad on Blizzard's part.

[Pastures]

Ok, just so I'm getting this correct. In 4.2 it will be possible to reach your maximum weekly valor cap, and therefore purchase the "best" gear from the valor vendor, by exclusively doing ZA 5-mans? This cap in valor includes Firelands Boss valor gains as well?

[Deleted]

So, the cap was reduced to 980, which one can reach with 7x ZG/ZA, and the old raids give 35 valor on 10-man and 45 on 25-man heroic only.

WTF? Is there any reason to put an effort into doing heroic Blackwing and Bastion? To be honest I'd rather do those raids in heroic to get valor but it just seems like a waste of time. Some items are nice and come close to firelands gear but time spent does sure as hell not equal the reward. Anyone else pissed of about this stupidity? I'm sick of doing ZG and ZA over and over and we'll have to keep doing those for quick access to valor points.

Thanks Blizzard, you fucking IDIOTS.

I dont understand why you are so annoyed about this

[MooseLord]

Blizzard wants you to focus on current content, not run old tiers over and over again.

But thats what we will be doing by running ZG/ZA for easy valor points. Firelands wont even give enough valor points for us to reach the max a week.

[Skelly]

It's not even that, it's that Firelands raiding won't even be worth it from a VP standpoint. Why bust your butt raiding new content when you can do your 7 heroics and get the same points easy peasy?

I hate to use tired memes, but bad math is bad on Blizzard's part.

Busting your butt raiding new content is for the drops, not the valor. Its just a nice added perk of not having to run 1-3 extra heroics that week. I would definitely prefer 980 from heroics + uncapped from firelands to reward raiders..

[eternalwhitemoon]

Ok, just so I'm getting this correct. In 4.2 it will be possible to reach your maximum weekly valor cap, and therefore purchase the "best" gear from the valor vendor, by exclusively doing ZA 5-mans? This cap in valor includes Firelands Boss valor gains as well?

# The maximum number of Valor Points which can be earned in a week from any and all applicable dungeons and raids is now 980, down from 1250.

Basically, yes.

Busting your butt raiding new content is for the drops, not the valor. Its just a nice added perk of not having to run 1-3 extra heroics that week. I would definitely prefer 980 from heroics + uncapped from firelands to reward raiders..

Right, it's for the drops and the experience, but having the extra valor to round out your gear (since if you're not raiding you don't need it anyway) is more ideal.

What I'm saying though, is if you do your 7 dungeons (and you should, with your guild, if your guild isn't level 25 yet), valor points from Firelands is 100% completely wasted. That doesn't seem like a good design decision to me.

[Ltsmash]

I dont understand why you are so annoyed about this

if you haven't learned by now, you never will

if you can complain about it, people will.

[jyn]

Am I the only one who liked the emblems system? =(

[Renowned]

It's not going to stop you from running Firelands though, you still want the actual drops. I don't really see the problem.

[Raugnaut]

You seen the pieces you can buy with valor? You get like, 3 slots, maybe 4. The majority of your gear will come from Firelands/Heroic Raids. But, I can see Valor becoming the new Justice, without the change already happening.

[Auralan]

Wait, raids are there only for VP and gear?
I thought they were for fun, lore, a sense of progress, group / guild play and killing cool stuff. Thanks for pointing this out, guys.

In all seriousness: if you put a bit of effort into raiding, you won't really need most of the VP gear anyway, and will obtain much better gear through raiding soon enough. I don't really see why people keep complaining about "vendor gear" and the associated points all the time?

What I'm saying though, is if you do your 7 dungeons (and you should, with your guild, if your guild isn't level 25 yet), valor points from Firelands is 100% completely wasted. That doesn't seem like a good design decision to me.

Even at max guild level it's worth doing this with your guild. It comes with a pretty nice gold bonus for the guild bank.

[eternalwhitemoon]

It's not going to stop you from running Firelands though, you still want the actual drops. I don't really see the problem.

No, it's not going to stop you, but it does feel kind of bad when people that can only manage ZA/ZG can get the same gear as you at the same rate as you now. People who aren't raiding don't even need the gear, so I don't understand why there isn't at least a little VP incentive for the people that are raiding.

Basically, I think it was fine the way it was, so why are they fixing what wasn't broken?

[Deleted]

I dont understand why you are so annoyed about this

Well the general assumption is that Blizzard wants us to see as much content as possible. There's still plenty of people that have not seen the raid instances and probably will not anymore since a lot of people will pass on the old ones. Even more people will not see any hardmodes at all, which is sad. Like I said, I'd rather do the raids on heroic than do ZG and ZA because we've done those 2 instances far more than the raids.

Blizzard should have applied the nerfs onto normal and hardmodes in the old raids and left the valor rewards and nerfed ZA/ZG to 35 valor.

[Isrozzis]

well, you said

we'll have to keep doing those for quick access to valor points.

now, i don't know about you, but no one is holding a gun to my head and telling me that i must do zg/za. i personally like them, but thats me. you can still easily get your cap from doing the Firelands raid + the heroic dungeons, which exclude zg/za. So you can skip those two instances entirely and still get your cap

[Deleted]

It's not going to stop you from running Firelands though, you still want the actual drops. I don't really see the problem.

The point is that Blizzard devalued raid hardmodes below ZG/ZA. No one is claiming that you should skip firelands because you can cap your valor with ZG/ZA.

[Ineras]

No, it's not going to stop you, but it does feel kind of bad when people that can only manage ZA/ZG can get the same gear as you at the same rate as you now.

Except you will have a chance at more gear from the drops from the raid bosses.

Also, you can get the VP from Firelands and then finish off your VP cap with the heroics after so as to not waste VP.

[Grishnok]

The main reason the Valor point cap was changed is because its parts of blizzard design plan to make less content seem like more. How to make a patch with only 7 new bosses and dailes seem large? Force your players to play it longer to get the items they want by lowering the VP cap and putting the dailies on an RNG system.

I agree with OP when he said "you fucking idiots". SW:TOR cant come out soon enough. My whole guild has already set up a guild there and will be moving asap.

[Auralan]

No, it's not going to stop you, but it does feel kind of bad when people that can only manage ZA/ZG can get the same gear as you at the same rate as you now. People who aren't raiding don't even need the gear, so I don't understand why there isn't at least a little VP incentive for the people that are raiding.

Basically, I think it was fine the way it was, so why are they fixing what wasn't broken?

At the same rate? Your argument is invalid.

Raiders do not only obtain gear from the points, but also from the drops. If you get even a single raid drop, you're already ahead of the non raiders. How can people keep overlooking this simple fact?

Further, BoT, BWD and TotFW heroic drops, or even normal drops, are still better compared to ZA and ZG drops. Raiders will always be ahead. What's the problem?