Video: Lord Rhyolith 10 man - Demo + PET STANCES problems

[cyberhrc]

Movie @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWELyBGsClA
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Last night i get so pissed on felguard and here is the reason: any aoe dmg we receive our pet will retaliate with fury on that source if its on assist or defensive [ guard ] stance.

Now here's the problem... In that scenario both stances are absolutely the same.
I thought that assist stance is something like 'macro', meaning pet will start attacking when i make dmg to my target and he will stay if i receive any aoe dmg [ Lord Rhyolith is doing aoe dmg all the time and pet is mad about him ]

This led to another problem on some fights where heavy aoe is needed and at the same time we receive heavy aoe dmg. Lord Rhyolith is perfect example of that.. Im standing like 100y away from boss, he do stomp or just any stupid aoe dmg and pet goes after him on oth stances.

Now u might wonder why do i whine and why dont i put him on passive stance. It usually is but than we have another problem: as soon primary target is dead he return to me.

Good example is Lord Rhyolith aoe trash + spark. So, little elementals come, tank grab em and i mark any of those little bastards and send my pet in manually + fellstorm. Meanwhile i cast rain of fire for max dps and there is big chance that my primary target is dead and pet is returning to me and making 0 dps while there are still some adds alive there.

It happened numerous of time that danm pet is wanking around when i press felstorm in that particular case and boy.. do i get pissed

So am i missing something here about those 2 stances but im sure i dont. Any aoe dmg we get when we use passive / defensive stance and our pet will go on the source. 2 stances 1 thing.

I might macro on some spells /petattack but thats not a solution at all.

I dont even wanna talk about shannox + affliction there.. Its PAIN !


Edit: I apologize i see there's same problem mentioned in post bellow. Still i posted this on official forums so we might get some answers

[DemonlockMG]

I haven't used the new pet stances yet, as I have been keeping my pet on passive with macro abilities for the past 2 years... so i can't really give advice on how to control it in defensive or the new assist stance. However, I can tell you that the best pet control is with passive stance and attack macros built into your normal spell rotations.

Example:
#showtooltip
/cast [nomod] Incinerate
/petattack [nomod,combat]
/cast [nomod,combat,@pettarget,exists] Firebolt


And a "rubberband" pet control macro to recall him off a target during a fight would be something very important for fights like Omnitron, or other fights where it is important to stop damage on a target, or switch targets fast.

example:
/petattack [nomod, @pettarget, noexists]
/petpassive [nomod, @pettarget, exists]



My "rubberband" macro is keybound to F2, so that during a fight I can hit that to have him stop attacking and clear his target, and then either let my macro abilities force him to attack my new current target, or hit F2 again to make him attack what I what him attacking.

[cyberhrc]

Had it on shadowbolt etc
But sometimes u just need to help out [ legs on rhyloth as example] and macroing on spells is not a good idea [ or i can use it on some shit spell.. same if i send him manually anyway in that case ]
And than again if that target is dead [ lets say aoe trash ] pet returns to you while u do aoe and u dont realize it

[Sanoku]

Why on earth are you aoeing with rain of fire as demo....

[cyberhrc]

try playing with my healers and ull see
anyway, i was RL and for easier understadning of fight we had gaypile tactic on me so thats why i used RoF + 2nd reason is pure testing to see hows dmg of RoF .. coz if i recall it was buffed 2 patches back or some ...

[lightgil]

Why on earth are you aoeing with rain of fire as demo....

but hellfire damages yourself ;D obviously rof is better (JK)

[cyberhrc]

thats THE point i dont wanna die )) my healers are sometimes..well..spectatular )))
long time ago 1 of them said to me ' you dont need heal, use drain life ... ' ...and yes, he meant it :P

[GUESSWHOIAM]

thats THE point i dont wanna die )) my healers are sometimes..well..spectatular )))
long time ago 1 of them said to me ' you dont need heal, use drain life ... ' ...and yes, he meant it :P

Get another guild. now.

[Ozteck]

/passive

/target

/ctrl-1

...until our pets are "fixed".

[Crummy]

Get another guild. now.

do as he says. Now.

[cyberhrc]

heheh... ill stick to my guidle wankers.. we are all IRL for few years now
tho we are offtopic anyway

[Kragtik]

Pet management is vital to warlocks..

When the fragments spawn make your FG attack (it should be on passive.. always) a fragment close to you, start hellfire-ing and make it felstorm, then make your pet come to you while its still felstorming and just follow the mobs around while hellfire, and when your FG is done storming, make it cleave the adds..

It aint that hard :/

Edit:

you said it was a problem when the target was dead because the pet comes back to you, well yes but you're supposed to be managing your pet through it all.. you need to learn how to control it more, you'll get the hang of it.

[Harsesis]

macro /petattack to a few abilities and keep you pet on passive. The assist stance is just terrible and I don't know why some people use it. It's slower to switch targets than a macro and becomes unruly at times.

Also a note about Hellfire. The damage done to enemies scales a lot higher than the damage done to you. A way I used to kill myself was to Life Tap down to low then Hellfire the last couple percent. That takes far to long these days because a full Hellfire channel does maybe 5% of your health.

[Kragtik]

macro /petattack to a few abilities and keep you pet on passive. The assist stance is just terrible and I don't know why some people use it. It's slower to switch targets than a macro and becomes unruly at times.

Also a note about Hellfire. The damage done to enemies scales a lot higher than the damage done to you. A way I used to kill myself was to Life Tap down to low then Hellfire the last couple percent. That takes far to long these days because a full Hellfire channel does maybe 5% of your health.

Especially on Ryolith there should be a constant income of HP coming your way due to raid damage being horrible on that fight.

[Viceversa]

people use anything except passive?

[DemonlockMG]

These are the kinds of things that separate the average warlocks from the great warlocks. The fact that he is looking for help on how to fix the problem instead of just ignoring it and letting it continue shows that he has at least some initiative to be a better player. There are many online resources at your disposal for any range of details regarding our class, and this is one of them. I hope the above macro commands I posted will help you somewhat with the problem. I always come across people in PUGs, either raid or random heroics, that just either let their pet do whatever.... or they forget their pet is on passive and it ends up doing nothing the entire fight. It's pretty pointless to play a pet class if you aren't going to even try to figure out the best management for them, especially when you are trying to maximize your effectiveness on a fight.

[Harsesis]

As another note for the Felguard. Turn off the auto cast on his Pursuit ability. When auto cast is on he will find something to charge whenever he can which can mess things up.

[Nicola]

raid with pet on passive and use /petattack macros, otherwise he'll act retarded like you've experienced.

[cyberhrc]

Pet management is vital to warlocks..

When the fragments spawn make your FG attack (it should be on passive.. always) a fragment close to you, start hellfire-ing and make it felstorm, then make your pet come to you while its still felstorming and just follow the mobs around while hellfire, and when your FG is done storming, make it cleave the adds..

It aint that hard :/

Edit:

you said it was a problem when the target was dead because the pet comes back to you, well yes but you're supposed to be managing your pet through it all.. you need to learn how to control it more, you'll get the hang of it.

i never said i have problem with pet managment.. i just say that passive and defensive stance are same shit in some situations :P
but u can admit it in some crowdy crowdy aoe situations sometimes your FG target die and u cant realize it easy.. so our damn stances are crap =D

[Harsesis]

Passive stance is the only stance that actually functions as you would think.